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Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you
deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny
when you roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew
sticking out behind the genoa, you should rethink that. You should
also pull the sheets taut around the winches and cleat them--not just
in the self-tailing part of the winch, but a couple of flemishes on a
cleat.


I generally put a couple of turns around the jib. I don't pull the
sheets taut around the winches. I just cleat them. I don't think it's
good to have strain on the winches if it's not needed.

Not strain really, but just tension. IF your sheets are slack, the wind
can unwind the turns on your genoa in short order.

Do you clean and repack your winches regularly? That's more important
than leaving them under tension.

Max

Haven't had to yet... I've only owned the boat a short time and the
previous owner did that relatively recently.

I make it a habit of repacking the winches on every boat I buy. I assume
the previous owner, despite claiming to have done it recently, never did
it at all, or used a type of grease that's incompatible with a winch's
requirements. My current boat's winches were fine--the owner had done it
correctly just before I bought the boat, but it got done again anyway. I
repack them every three years, but we're in fresh water. I'd do them
annually if in the salt, or at least every other year if in brackish.

Max



Normally, I would agree with you, but the previous owner was obsessive about
stuff like this.


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I've never had anyone say to me "I'm glad I don't have a furler." I've
heard people say, "I can't afford one" and "I'm putting it on next
season."

Absolutely. In fact, the most common comment I hear is, "We have lots of
things we need to buy for the boat, but the roller furling comes first."

Max



It was high on my list. In fact, it had a furler when the previous owner
bought it, but the mechanism was trashed, so he removed it. He replaced the
stay in 2002, but my rigger replaced it again when he put the furler on. The
cost was minimal.

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Coming from someone who spends an hour maintaing his brightwork on a
C&C I would expect you are surrounded by lazy sailors. Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a dry sail locker
only takes a few minutes.

You'd be surprised at how few people take the time. Well, perhaps you
wouldn't. My impression is that if folks don't have roller furling, they
wish they did. And if they can't afford it, their boats also look to be
in
the poverty level. There are always exceptions, but that's the general
rule
around here. What I've seen more often is hanked-on headsails dropped to
the deck and shock-corded to a couple of lifeline stanchions--a really
lazy
approach that insures the sail's lifespan will be minimal.

Rollup head sails are for lazy sailors. They ruin the shape of the
sail, they have to have sunbrella sewed to the exposed edges, they get
stuck, ect..ect..ect

How do they ruin the shape of the sail?

A sail is not flat, to maintain it's proper shape it can not be
rolled up.

I'm aware it's not flat. It has draft, but there is no strain on the
sailcloth if rolled properly. If anything it might bunch up a bit, but
that's no worse than stuffing it into a bad, and probably better for the
sail. Question: if it's wrong to roll a sail with draft, why then do the
manufacturers of high-tech headsails and mains recommend rolling, rather
than folding, them?





Just how high can you reach with your sail tie? I
I've seen many shredded to peices that had "A" sail tie, in high
winds.

On my boat the genoa sheets wrap around the sail at the level of the
clew,
which is about twelve feet above the deck. I place a single sail tie
about
three or four feet below that. I have to stand on the bow pulpit to do
it,
however.

Only a lubber would think leaving your sails out in the weather, and
putting a tie around is better then properly storing them in a sail
locker.

Then nearly 90% of sailors are lubbers,

Thats about right, it thought it was closer to 98% who are lubbers.

Ah, I see you're like Capt. Neal, who believes the whole world is out of
step and he's the only one in step.

Not at all. I just know 98% of sailors are weekend warriors and do not
have a clue about the sea or seamanship.

because that's the industry estimate
of the number of sailing vessels equipped with roller furling. And some
form of main furling is also increasing, now at about 15% and rising.

What only 15% are total idiots?

Those "total idiots" probably sail more than you, have cleaner, better
cared-for sails than you, and enjoy their sailing more than you do.

I doubt it. Unless if you mean Sail more , as in sailing like Bobspirt
then you are correct. RedCloud is not a very good day sailor, but I
have a dink for that type of sailing.

RedCloud has custom made sail packs for the main and mizzen, the
forward sails are in the locker in the bags, never put away salty or
wet. With and inner and outer forestays I have no problem shorting or
adding sail myself.

I'd just rather have simple and reliable, little extra work will keep
you fit. I guess if I had a lightweight nimble boat and were afraid to
go forward in a blow it might make since.

Joe

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Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you
deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny
when you roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew
sticking out behind the genoa, you should rethink that. You should
also pull the sheets taut around the winches and cleat them--not just
in the self-tailing part of the winch, but a couple of flemishes on a
cleat.


I generally put a couple of turns around the jib. I don't pull the
sheets taut around the winches. I just cleat them. I don't think it's
good to have strain on the winches if it's not needed.

Not strain really, but just tension. IF your sheets are slack, the
wind can unwind the turns on your genoa in short order.

Do you clean and repack your winches regularly? That's more important
than leaving them under tension.

Max

Haven't had to yet... I've only owned the boat a short time and the
previous owner did that relatively recently.

I make it a habit of repacking the winches on every boat I buy. I assume
the previous owner, despite claiming to have done it recently, never did
it at all, or used a type of grease that's incompatible with a winch's
requirements. My current boat's winches were fine--the owner had done it
correctly just before I bought the boat, but it got done again anyway. I
repack them every three years, but we're in fresh water. I'd do them
annually if in the salt, or at least every other year if in brackish.

Max



Normally, I would agree with you, but the previous owner was obsessive
about stuff like this.

SF Bay is brackish. I'd be inclined to repack them next year at least. Is
your boat slip in Richardson Bay?

Max

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Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you
deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper
line through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny
when you roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew
sticking out behind the genoa, you should rethink that. You should
also pull the sheets taut around the winches and cleat them--not
just in the self-tailing part of the winch, but a couple of
flemishes on a cleat.


I generally put a couple of turns around the jib. I don't pull the
sheets taut around the winches. I just cleat them. I don't think it's
good to have strain on the winches if it's not needed.

Not strain really, but just tension. IF your sheets are slack, the
wind can unwind the turns on your genoa in short order.

Do you clean and repack your winches regularly? That's more important
than leaving them under tension.

Max

Haven't had to yet... I've only owned the boat a short time and the
previous owner did that relatively recently.

I make it a habit of repacking the winches on every boat I buy. I
assume the previous owner, despite claiming to have done it recently,
never did it at all, or used a type of grease that's incompatible with a
winch's requirements. My current boat's winches were fine--the owner
had done it correctly just before I bought the boat, but it got done
again anyway. I repack them every three years, but we're in fresh
water. I'd do them annually if in the salt, or at least every other
year if in brackish.

Max



Normally, I would agree with you, but the previous owner was obsessive
about stuff like this.

SF Bay is brackish. I'd be inclined to repack them next year at least.
Is your boat slip in Richardson Bay?


I'm at Pt. Richmond. Definitely next pre-season.

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* Scotty wrote, On 3/19/2007 1:35 PM:
I hoisted my main and saw a mouse nest, complete with a few
baby mice fly off into the water.

I removed my hat, said a short prayer and went sailing.

I had that happen once when raising a mast in the Spring. After that
I always bagged the foot of a mast left out.

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There's a crab crusher in our marina that has a
club-footed staysail. The
staysail resides in a boom bag near the tack when not in
use. The owner
told me once that if he doesn't use his staysail
regularly, tiny birds build
nests in the damn bag. When he raises that sail after a
hiatus, nest
material and eggs go flying everywhere.


I hoisted my main and saw a mouse nest, complete with a few
baby mice fly off into the water.

I removed my hat, said a short prayer and went sailing.

Scotty




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There's a crab crusher in our marina that has a
club-footed staysail. The
staysail resides in a boom bag near the tack when not in
use. The owner
told me once that if he doesn't use his staysail
regularly, tiny birds build
nests in the damn bag. When he raises that sail after a
hiatus, nest
material and eggs go flying everywhere.


I hoisted my main and saw a mouse nest, complete with a few
baby mice fly off into the water.

I removed my hat, said a short prayer and went sailing.

Scotty

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There's a crab crusher in our marina that has a
club-footed staysail. The
staysail resides in a boom bag near the tack when not in
use. The owner
told me once that if he doesn't use his staysail
regularly, tiny birds build
nests in the damn bag. When he raises that sail after a
hiatus, nest
material and eggs go flying everywhere.


I hoisted my main and saw a mouse nest, complete with a few
baby mice fly off into the water.

I removed my hat, said a short prayer and went sailing.

What did you pray? ("Lord, please keep those damned rodents off my boat!)
?

Max

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There's a crab crusher in our marina that has a
club-footed staysail. The
staysail resides in a boom bag near the tack when not
in
use. The owner
told me once that if he doesn't use his staysail
regularly, tiny birds build
nests in the damn bag. When he raises that sail after
a
hiatus, nest
material and eggs go flying everywhere.


I hoisted my main and saw a mouse nest, complete with a
few
baby mice fly off into the water.

I removed my hat, said a short prayer and went sailing.

What did you pray? ("Lord, please keep those damned
rodents off my boat!)
?

That there were none in my jib.