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Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a dry
sail locker
only takes a few minutes.


Rolling up my genny takes about 10 seconds.

Not to mention that it takes up *no* storage space in the cabin.

Max

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On Mar 18, 12:01 am, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
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Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a dry
sail locker
only takes a few minutes.

Rolling up my genny takes about 10 seconds.


Yeah, but it's left in the weather and birds crap on it.

Hmmm. Must be particularly agile birds in Texas to be able to sit on a
steeply-angled forestay and crap on the sun cover. I've *never* had bird
crap on my headsail. Now the crap on my mainsail cover is another matter.

Max

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I suppose you bag your main sail everytime, too?
SBV

By all means he does. Only a "lubber" would leave a sail in the elements,
when it can be safely and properly stored below. g

ax

On Mar 18, 6:41 am, "Maxprop" wrote:
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Coming from someone who spends an hour maintaing his brightwork on a
C&C I would expect you are surrounded by lazy sailors. Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a dry sail locker
only takes a few minutes.

You'd be surprised at how few people take the time. Well, perhaps you
wouldn't. My impression is that if folks don't have roller furling, they
wish they did. And if they can't afford it, their boats also look to be in
the poverty level. There are always exceptions, but that's the general rule
around here. What I've seen more often is hanked-on headsails dropped to
the deck and shock-corded to a couple of lifeline stanchions--a really lazy
approach that insures the sail's lifespan will be minimal.

Rollup head sails are for lazy sailors. They ruin the shape of the
sail, they have to have sunbrella sewed to the exposed edges, they get
stuck, ect..ect..ect

How do they ruin the shape of the sail?

A sail is not flat, to maintain it's proper shape it can not be
rolled up.

Just how high can you reach with your sail tie? I
I've seen many shredded to peices that had "A" sail tie, in high
winds.

On my boat the genoa sheets wrap around the sail at the level of the clew,
which is about twelve feet above the deck. I place a single sail tie about
three or four feet below that. I have to stand on the bow pulpit to do it,
however.

Only a lubber would think leaving your sails out in the weather, and
putting a tie around is better then properly storing them in a sail
locker.

Then nearly 90% of sailors are lubbers,

Thats about right, it thought it was closer to 98% who are lubbers.

because that's the industry estimate
of the number of sailing vessels equipped with roller furling. And some
form of main furling is also increasing, now at about 15% and rising.

What only 15% are total idiots?

Joe

Max

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Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you
deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny when
you roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew sticking out
behind the genoa, you should rethink that. You should also pull the
sheets taut around the winches and cleat them--not just in the
self-tailing part of the winch, but a couple of flemishes on a cleat.


I generally put a couple of turns around the jib. I don't pull the sheets
taut around the winches. I just cleat them. I don't think it's good to
have strain on the winches if it's not needed.

Not strain really, but just tension. IF your sheets are slack, the wind
can unwind the turns on your genoa in short order.

Do you clean and repack your winches regularly? That's more important
than leaving them under tension.

Max

Haven't had to yet... I've only owned the boat a short time and the previous
owner did that relatively recently.

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I generally put a couple of turns around the jib. I don't
pull the sheets
taut around the winches. I just cleat them. I don't think
it's good to have
strain on the winches if it's not needed.


strain?

Stain.

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Hmmm. Must be particularly agile birds in Texas to be able to sit on a
steeply-angled forestay and crap on the sun cover. I've *never* had bird
crap on my head. Now the crap on my mainsail cover is another matter.


Most people don't have that problem... sorry, couldn't help it.

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Coming from someone who spends an hour maintaing his brightwork on a
C&C I would expect you are surrounded by lazy sailors. Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a dry sail locker
only takes a few minutes.

You'd be surprised at how few people take the time. Well, perhaps you
wouldn't. My impression is that if folks don't have roller furling, they
wish they did. And if they can't afford it, their boats also look to be
in the poverty level. There are always exceptions, but that's the general
rule around here. What I've seen more often is hanked-on headsails
dropped to the deck and shock-corded to a couple of lifeline stanchions--a
really lazy approach that insures the sail's lifespan will be minimal.


Rollup head sails are for lazy sailors. They ruin the shape of the
sail, they have to have sunbrella sewed to the exposed edges, they get
stuck, ect..ect..ect

How do they ruin the shape of the sail?

Just how high can you reach with your sail tie? I
I've seen many shredded to peices that had "A" sail tie, in high
winds.

On my boat the genoa sheets wrap around the sail at the level of the clew,
which is about twelve feet above the deck. I place a single sail tie
about three or four feet below that. I have to stand on the bow pulpit to
do it, however.


Only a lubber would think leaving your sails out in the weather, and
putting a tie around is better then properly storing them in a sail
locker.

Then nearly 90% of sailors are lubbers, because that's the industry
estimate of the number of sailing vessels equipped with roller furling.
And some form of main furling is also increasing, now at about 15% and
rising.

Max



I've never had anyone say to me "I'm glad I don't have a furler." I've heard
people say, "I can't afford one" and "I'm putting it on next season."

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Un hanking
flaking, folding and bagging a jib and putting it in a
dry
sail locker
only takes a few minutes.

Rolling up my genny takes about 10 seconds.


Yeah, but it's left in the weather and birds crap on it.


It's protected by a Sunbrella cover. I've never had any
birds crap n my boat (yet).

SBV

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Hmmm. Must be particularly agile birds in Texas to be
able to sit on a
steeply-angled forestay and crap on the sun cover. I've
*never* had bird
crap on my headsail. Now the crap on my mainsail cover is
another matter.


WHAT ? !!! You leave your main sail on the boom??????
OMG!!!!!!


S