Old Thom Stewart sounds like a pretty nice old chap. I read in a post he
made recently where he has an auto-immune disease called myasthenia
gravis. Maybe he does have it but I think he could have been
mis-diagnosed. I did a little research and found the following:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/m...nia_gravis.htm

"What are the symptoms of myasthenia gravis?

"Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles
that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and swallowing
are most frequently affected. The onset of the disorder may be sudden.
Symptoms often are not immediately recognized as myasthenia gravis. In
most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the eye muscles.
In others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech may be the first
signs. The degree of muscle weakness involved in myasthenia gravis
varies greatly among patients, ranging from a localized form, limited to
eye muscles (ocular myasthenia), to a severe or generalized form in
which many muscles - sometimes including those that control breathing -
are affected. Symptoms, which vary in type and severity, may include a
drooping of one or both eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision
(diplopia) due to weakness of the muscles that control eye movements,
unstable or waddling gait, weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and
neck, a change in facial expression, difficulty in swallowing and
shortness of breath, and impaired speech (dysarthria)."

Notice the part where it mentions difficulty in swallowing. I've seen
pictures of Thom and there's no way in the world that man has ever had
difficulty swallowing. From the size of his stomach it looks like he
swallows whole cakes, pies and sides of beef.

Muscle weakness is mentioned as a primary symptom. But, considering the
ponderous mass Mr. Stewart's muscles must attempt to move around, is it
any wonder they appear weak? It mentions the muscles that control
breathing are often weakened. But proper breathing means having the
diaphragm move down towards the stomach. But when the stomach is as
large as Thom's even the strongest diaphragm muscles don't have a chance
to move against such a mass. Compounding this is the natural process of
aging where the rib cage becomes less flexible and more difficult to
expand when breathing. This puts a premium on the diaphragm's being able
to move down into the stomach area unrestricted.

This brings me to a cure for Thom:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"Many diseases in the obese population have been found to improve after
weight loss. A 56-year-old female with a long history of myasthenia
gravis (MG) and morbid obesity is reported. Preoperatively, she
presented with a BMI of 46.5 kg/m2, and was on three medications and IV
immunoglobulin every 5 weeks. After the surgical procedure, she improved
and required less medication. Because MG and morbid obesity require
careful perioperative management in order to avoid complications, a
multidisciplinary approach is recommended."

Check with your doctor please, Mr. Stewart. Get serious about losing
weight. It just might improve your quality of life greatly. Your MG may
be relatively minor but exacerbated by obesity.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...
Old Thom Stewart sounds like a pretty nice old chap. I read in a post
he made recently where he has an auto-immune disease called myasthenia
gravis. Maybe he does have it but I think he could have been
mis-diagnosed. I did a little research and found the following:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/m...nia_gravis.htm

"What are the symptoms of myasthenia gravis?

"Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles
that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and
swallowing are most frequently affected. The onset of the disorder may
be sudden. Symptoms often are not immediately recognized as myasthenia
gravis. In most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the
eye muscles. In others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech
may be the first signs. The degree of muscle weakness involved in
myasthenia gravis varies greatly among patients, ranging from a
localized form, limited to eye muscles (ocular myasthenia), to a
severe or generalized form in which many muscles - sometimes including
those that control breathing - are affected. Symptoms, which vary in
type and severity, may include a drooping of one or both eyelids
(ptosis), blurred or double vision (diplopia) due to weakness of the
muscles that control eye movements, unstable or waddling gait,
weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and neck, a change in facial
expression, difficulty in swallowing and shortness of breath, and
impaired speech (dysarthria)."

Notice the part where it mentions difficulty in swallowing. I've seen
pictures of Thom and there's no way in the world that man has ever had
difficulty swallowing. From the size of his stomach it looks like he
swallows whole cakes, pies and sides of beef.

Muscle weakness is mentioned as a primary symptom. But, considering
the ponderous mass Mr. Stewart's muscles must attempt to move around,
is it any wonder they appear weak? It mentions the muscles that
control breathing are often weakened. But proper breathing means
having the diaphragm move down towards the stomach. But when the
stomach is as large as Thom's even the strongest diaphragm muscles
don't have a chance to move against such a mass. Compounding this is
the natural process of aging where the rib cage becomes less flexible
and more difficult to expand when breathing. This puts a premium on
the diaphragm's being able to move down into the stomach area
unrestricted.

This brings me to a cure for Thom:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"Many diseases in the obese population have been found to improve
after weight loss. A 56-year-old female with a long history of
myasthenia gravis (MG) and morbid obesity is reported. Preoperatively,
she presented with a BMI of 46.5 kg/m2, and was on three medications
and IV immunoglobulin every 5 weeks. After the surgical procedure, she
improved and required less medication. Because MG and morbid obesity
require careful perioperative management in order to avoid
complications, a multidisciplinary approach is recommended."

Check with your doctor please, Mr. Stewart. Get serious about losing
weight. It just might improve your quality of life greatly. Your MG
may be relatively minor but exacerbated by obesity.

Wilbur Hubbard



Yeah, Wilbur! U might B on2 sumthing. Fats bad 4U. It sez it here 2
http://www.lakesidepress.com/pulmona...athe/Sectl.htm

"Perhaps the simplest explanation is that excess weight of the chest
wall caused by the fat makes it difficult to take a deep breath. Also
the massive weight of the abdominal fat makes it difficult to move the
diaphragms. However, weight alone cannot be the only explanation for
respiratory impairment, since patients equally overweight often have
very different breathing test results."

Lose the fat. B healthE. B happE. B kewl. U can sail Agin.

todd

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...
Old Thom Stewart sounds like a pretty nice old chap. I read in a post he
made recently where he has an auto-immune disease called myasthenia
gravis. Maybe he does have it but I think he could have been
mis-diagnosed. I did a little research and found the following:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/m...nia_gravis.htm

"What are the symptoms of myasthenia gravis?

"Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles that
control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and swallowing are
most frequently affected. The onset of the disorder may be sudden.
Symptoms often are not immediately recognized as myasthenia gravis. In
most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the eye muscles.
In others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech may be the first
signs. The degree of muscle weakness involved in myasthenia gravis varies
greatly among patients, ranging from a localized form, limited to eye
muscles (ocular myasthenia), to a severe or generalized form in which many
muscles - sometimes including those that control breathing - are affected.
Symptoms, which vary in type and severity, may include a drooping of one
or both eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision (diplopia) due to
weakness of the muscles that control eye movements, unstable or waddling
gait, weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and neck, a change in facial
expression, difficulty in swallowing and shortness of breath, and impaired
speech (dysarthria)."

Notice the part where it mentions difficulty in swallowing. I've seen
pictures of Thom and there's no way in the world that man has ever had
difficulty swallowing. From the size of his stomach it looks like he
swallows whole cakes, pies and sides of beef.

Muscle weakness is mentioned as a primary symptom. But, considering the
ponderous mass Mr. Stewart's muscles must attempt to move around, is it
any wonder they appear weak? It mentions the muscles that control
breathing are often weakened. But proper breathing means having the
diaphragm move down towards the stomach. But when the stomach is as large
as Thom's even the strongest diaphragm muscles don't have a chance to move
against such a mass. Compounding this is the natural process of aging
where the rib cage becomes less flexible and more difficult to expand when
breathing. This puts a premium on the diaphragm's being able to move down
into the stomach area unrestricted.

This brings me to a cure for Thom:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"Many diseases in the obese population have been found to improve after
weight loss. A 56-year-old female with a long history of myasthenia gravis
(MG) and morbid obesity is reported. Preoperatively, she presented with a
BMI of 46.5 kg/m2, and was on three medications and IV immunoglobulin
every 5 weeks. After the surgical procedure, she improved and required
less medication. Because MG and morbid obesity require careful
perioperative management in order to avoid complications, a
multidisciplinary approach is recommended."

Check with your doctor please, Mr. Stewart. Get serious about losing
weight. It just might improve your quality of life greatly. Your MG may be
relatively minor but exacerbated by obesity.

Wilbur Hubbard

Stick with right-wing rants, Neal, and leave medicine to those who know
something about it.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...
Old Thom Stewart sounds like a pretty nice old chap. I read in a post
he made recently where he has an auto-immune disease called
myasthenia gravis. Maybe he does have it but I think he could have
been mis-diagnosed. I did a little research and found the following:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/m...nia_gravis.htm

"What are the symptoms of myasthenia gravis?

"Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles
that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and
swallowing are most frequently affected. The onset of the disorder
may be sudden. Symptoms often are not immediately recognized as
myasthenia gravis. In most cases, the first noticeable symptom is
weakness of the eye muscles. In others, difficulty in swallowing and
slurred speech may be the first signs. The degree of muscle weakness
involved in myasthenia gravis varies greatly among patients, ranging
from a localized form, limited to eye muscles (ocular myasthenia), to
a severe or generalized form in which many muscles - sometimes
including those that control breathing - are affected. Symptoms,
which vary in type and severity, may include a drooping of one or
both eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision (diplopia) due to
weakness of the muscles that control eye movements, unstable or
waddling gait, weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and neck, a
change in facial expression, difficulty in swallowing and shortness
of breath, and impaired speech (dysarthria)."

Notice the part where it mentions difficulty in swallowing. I've seen
pictures of Thom and there's no way in the world that man has ever
had difficulty swallowing. From the size of his stomach it looks like
he swallows whole cakes, pies and sides of beef.

Muscle weakness is mentioned as a primary symptom. But, considering
the ponderous mass Mr. Stewart's muscles must attempt to move around,
is it any wonder they appear weak? It mentions the muscles that
control breathing are often weakened. But proper breathing means
having the diaphragm move down towards the stomach. But when the
stomach is as large as Thom's even the strongest diaphragm muscles
don't have a chance to move against such a mass. Compounding this is
the natural process of aging where the rib cage becomes less flexible
and more difficult to expand when breathing. This puts a premium on
the diaphragm's being able to move down into the stomach area
unrestricted.

This brings me to a cure for Thom:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"Many diseases in the obese population have been found to improve
after weight loss. A 56-year-old female with a long history of
myasthenia gravis (MG) and morbid obesity is reported.
Preoperatively, she presented with a BMI of 46.5 kg/m2, and was on
three medications and IV immunoglobulin every 5 weeks. After the
surgical procedure, she improved and required less medication.
Because MG and morbid obesity require careful perioperative
management in order to avoid complications, a multidisciplinary
approach is recommended."

Check with your doctor please, Mr. Stewart. Get serious about losing
weight. It just might improve your quality of life greatly. Your MG
may be relatively minor but exacerbated by obesity.

Wilbur Hubbard

Stick with right-wing rants, Neal, and leave medicine to those who
know something about it.

Max


"Neal" can do whatever the **** he wants to do. Little pricks like you
don't know squat. Go suck Hillary's dick why don't you?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...
Old Thom Stewart sounds like a pretty nice old chap. I read in a post he
made recently where he has an auto-immune disease called myasthenia
gravis. Maybe he does have it but I think he could have been
mis-diagnosed. I did a little research and found the following:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/m...nia_gravis.htm

"What are the symptoms of myasthenia gravis?

"Although myasthenia gravis may affect any voluntary muscle, muscles
that control eye and eyelid movement, facial expression, and swallowing
are most frequently affected. The onset of the disorder may be sudden.
Symptoms often are not immediately recognized as myasthenia gravis. In
most cases, the first noticeable symptom is weakness of the eye muscles.
In others, difficulty in swallowing and slurred speech may be the first
signs. The degree of muscle weakness involved in myasthenia gravis
varies greatly among patients, ranging from a localized form, limited to
eye muscles (ocular myasthenia), to a severe or generalized form in
which many muscles - sometimes including those that control breathing -
are affected. Symptoms, which vary in type and severity, may include a
drooping of one or both eyelids (ptosis), blurred or double vision
(diplopia) due to weakness of the muscles that control eye movements,
unstable or waddling gait, weakness in arms, hands, fingers, legs, and
neck, a change in facial expression, difficulty in swallowing and
shortness of breath, and impaired speech (dysarthria)."

Notice the part where it mentions difficulty in swallowing. I've seen
pictures of Thom and there's no way in the world that man has ever had
difficulty swallowing. From the size of his stomach it looks like he
swallows whole cakes, pies and sides of beef.

Muscle weakness is mentioned as a primary symptom. But, considering the
ponderous mass Mr. Stewart's muscles must attempt to move around, is it
any wonder they appear weak? It mentions the muscles that control
breathing are often weakened. But proper breathing means having the
diaphragm move down towards the stomach. But when the stomach is as
large as Thom's even the strongest diaphragm muscles don't have a chance
to move against such a mass. Compounding this is the natural process of
aging where the rib cage becomes less flexible and more difficult to
expand when breathing. This puts a premium on the diaphragm's being able
to move down into the stomach area unrestricted.

This brings me to a cure for Thom:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

"Many diseases in the obese population have been found to improve after
weight loss. A 56-year-old female with a long history of myasthenia
gravis (MG) and morbid obesity is reported. Preoperatively, she
presented with a BMI of 46.5 kg/m2, and was on three medications and IV
immunoglobulin every 5 weeks. After the surgical procedure, she improved
and required less medication. Because MG and morbid obesity require
careful perioperative management in order to avoid complications, a
multidisciplinary approach is recommended."

Check with your doctor please, Mr. Stewart. Get serious about losing
weight. It just might improve your quality of life greatly. Your MG may
be relatively minor but exacerbated by obesity.

Wilbur Hubbard

Stick with right-wing rants, Neal, and leave medicine to those who know
something about it.

Max


"Neal" can do whatever the **** he wants to do. Little pricks like you
don't know squat. Go suck Hillary's dick why don't you?

Give us Ellen back, Neal. She was pleasant. You'd have to be elevated to
the level of ****head.

Max

Give us Ellen back, Neal. She was pleasant.

Thanks Max.

As a lurker of this particular news group and very
infrequent contributer... over the past couple of
years... I was wondering who the f*ck this mean
spirited "Wilbur Hubbard" was.

During my monintoring I don't recall seeing his
"handle" before.

Right now... like Joe (Redclowd)... this site is
starting to become a waste of one's time.

Then again... I have finally learned some 67 years
later... that nothing stays the same.

But for me at least... it was fun for awhile. And
admittedly (at least IMHO) Bobsprit sure kept things
going. heh heh

Best regards to all

Bill

Channel Isands Harbor
Oxnard, California

wrote in message
oups.com...


Give us Ellen back, Neal. She was pleasant.

Thanks Max.

As a lurker of this particular news group and very
infrequent contributer... over the past couple of
years... I was wondering who the f*ck this mean
spirited "Wilbur Hubbard" was.

No one but Mr. Hubbard knows for sure, but it's a safe bet he's the original
Neal Warren of the past. Neal could be periodically mean-spirited, and
never defered from spouting ultra right-wing garbage. His last 'sock
puppet' was Ellen MacArthur. He carried that about as far as he could, with
no credibility of course, and moved on to a new identity more to his true
character, the irascible Wilbur Hubbard: idiot, asshole, jerk
extraordinaire. Be advised, however, that Hubbard will probably be here for
a while, as he seems to be the consumate cyber fisherman (troll), eliciting
responses from almost everyone. That is what fuels his type.


During my monintoring I don't recall seeing his
"handle" before.

Sock puppets arise and disappear with uncanny regularity in this NG. Some
have presumed that there are only about 12 or so actual contributors to this
group--the flonkers notwithstanding--some of whom masquerade as anyone but
themselves. The ascerbic Charlie Morgan is a prime example--he has been
Binary Bill, MysTerry, and now CWM. Gilligan is another--I've lost track of
all his 'identities.' Recently he's been Ted Bell among others. I suspect
that someday he'll find it necessary to undergo intensive psychotherapy for
a multiple personality disorder, aka Sybil. g

Right now... like Joe (Redclowd)... this site is
starting to become a waste of one's time.

AFAIK, Joe has always been Joe. As to the worth of the NG, you either play
or you don't. Don't expect a cogent discussion of sailing topics very
often, albeit they do occur from time to time.


Then again... I have finally learned some 67 years
later... that nothing stays the same.

But for me at least... it was fun for awhile. And
admittedly (at least IMHO) Bobsprit sure kept things
going. heh heh

Bubbles (Robert Brody, aka Bobsprit) is probably the best fisherman ever,
and he's essentially done it under his real name. I believe he'll be back
once he gets his new home in order, the paint dries, and boredom once again
sets in. Hang in there.

Jeff

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:09:02 -0500, Maxprop wrote
(in article et):


wrote in message
oups.com...


Give us Ellen back, Neal. She was pleasant.

Thanks Max.

As a lurker of this particular news group and very
infrequent contributer... over the past couple of
years... I was wondering who the f*ck this mean
spirited "Wilbur Hubbard" was.

No one but Mr. Hubbard knows for sure, but it's a safe bet he's the original
Neal Warren of the past. Neal could be periodically mean-spirited, and
never defered from spouting ultra right-wing garbage. His last 'sock
puppet' was Ellen MacArthur. He carried that about as far as he could, with
no credibility of course, and moved on to a new identity more to his true
character, the irascible Wilbur Hubbard: idiot, asshole, jerk
extraordinaire. Be advised, however, that Hubbard will probably be here for
a while, as he seems to be the consumate cyber fisherman (troll), eliciting
responses from almost everyone. That is what fuels his type.

Since when is eliciting a response a bad thing. At least there is a
conversation ..good/bad.



During my monintoring I don't recall seeing his
"handle" before.

Sock puppets arise and disappear with uncanny regularity in this NG. Some
have presumed that there are only about 12 or so actual contributors to this
group--the flonkers notwithstanding--some of whom masquerade as anyone but
themselves. The ascerbic Charlie Morgan is a prime example--he has been
Binary Bill, MysTerry, and now CWM. Gilligan is another--I've lost track of
all his 'identities.' Recently he's been Ted Bell among others. I suspect
that someday he'll find it necessary to undergo intensive psychotherapy for
a multiple personality disorder, aka Sybil. g

I guess I still don't get what it matters who the id is. Puppets have better
communication skills than the regs. At least they are communicative past 1
sentence answers.


Right now... like Joe (Redclowd)... this site is
starting to become a waste of one's time.

AFAIK, Joe has always been Joe. As to the worth of the NG, you either play
or you don't. Don't expect a cogent discussion of sailing topics very
often, albeit they do occur from time to time.

I have been to sea for months at a time and I don't remember talking about
the boat or where we were or anything else constantly... Yo all are like
bunch of women.. All you want to talk about is the relationship...



Then again... I have finally learned some 67 years
later... that nothing stays the same.

But for me at least... it was fun for awhile. And
admittedly (at least IMHO) Bobsprit sure kept things
going. heh heh

Maybe because Boobsprit did not just whine about everything.. give it a try!



Bubbles (Robert Brody, aka Bobsprit) is probably the best fisherman ever,
and he's essentially done it under his real name. I believe he'll be back
once he gets his new home in order, the paint dries, and boredom once again
sets in. Hang in there.

Jeff



This place has been an ongoing BS session since I have been here. Thats why I
enjoy it. Toughen up! Bunch of pansies...

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

"Mundo" wrote in message
. net...
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:09:02 -0500, Maxprop wrote

No one but Mr. Hubbard knows for sure, but it's a safe bet he's the
original
Neal Warren of the past. Neal could be periodically mean-spirited, and
never defered from spouting ultra right-wing garbage. His last 'sock
puppet' was Ellen MacArthur. He carried that about as far as he could,
with
no credibility of course, and moved on to a new identity more to his true
character, the irascible Wilbur Hubbard: idiot, asshole, jerk
extraordinaire. Be advised, however, that Hubbard will probably be here
for
a while, as he seems to be the consumate cyber fisherman (troll),
eliciting
responses from almost everyone. That is what fuels his type.

Since when is eliciting a response a bad thing. At least there is a
conversation ..good/bad.

Re-read my paragraph (above), Mundo. Did I say, or imply, that eliciting a
response is a bad thing?
Sock puppets arise and disappear with uncanny regularity in this NG.
Some
have presumed that there are only about 12 or so actual contributors to
this
group--the flonkers notwithstanding--some of whom masquerade as anyone
but
themselves. The ascerbic Charlie Morgan is a prime example--he has been
Binary Bill, MysTerry, and now CWM. Gilligan is another--I've lost track
of
all his 'identities.' Recently he's been Ted Bell among others. I
suspect
that someday he'll find it necessary to undergo intensive psychotherapy
for
a multiple personality disorder, aka Sybil. g

I guess I still don't get what it matters who the id is. Puppets have
better
communication skills than the regs. At least they are communicative past 1
sentence answers.

It matters only in how aggressively the regulars attempt to identify the
sock puppet. It's a game of sorts, and by no means a bad thing. Once again
you've erroneously assumed I've derided the sock puppet concept. Without
sock puppets, everyone would have to be polite--like you. (Hmm, that makes
no sense, does it?)

AFAIK, Joe has always been Joe. As to the worth of the NG, you either
play
or you don't. Don't expect a cogent discussion of sailing topics very
often, albeit they do occur from time to time.

I have been to sea for months at a time and I don't remember talking about
the boat or where we were or anything else constantly... Yo all are like
bunch of women.. All you want to talk about is the relationship...

Nay, nay, pedantic sir. This is more like a bar adjacent to a marina.
Regulars meet to discuss just about anything that crosses their minds.
Sometimes it's relationships, other times it's sailing (rarely), and
occasionally it's to vent frustrations at those targets most appropriate to
the cause.

But for me at least... it was fun for awhile. And
admittedly (at least IMHO) Bobsprit sure kept things
going. heh heh

Maybe because Boobsprit did not just whine about everything.. give it a
try!

He whined incessantly. Give me a break.

Bubbles (Robert Brody, aka Bobsprit) is probably the best fisherman ever,
and he's essentially done it under his real name. I believe he'll be
back
once he gets his new home in order, the paint dries, and boredom once
again
sets in. Hang in there.

This place has been an ongoing BS session since I have been here. Thats
why I
enjoy it. Toughen up! Bunch of pansies...

Your model for this NG would be about as interesting as watching two
octogenarians having sex--it would last about 15 seconds before experiencing
total exhaustion, and be boring beyond belief, not to mention repugnant.

If what happens here is not to your liking, change it. As it is, you sound
like a goddamned whiner. Buck up, bro, and join us, or kiss someone's ass
(not mine, thank you all the same) and take a hike over to one of those
'leather' NGs. g

Max

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Even the sniveling Maxprop used to post under at least one other name. For
some
reason, he forgot to mention that.

Take note, Mundo--here is the cardinal whiney, old, fat, bearded, wet-nursed
wimp. This sissy whines more than a Pratt & Whitney fan jet at idle.

Max