Frank Boettcher wrote:
Sure it does, they are making a choice between Budweiser, Miller,
Coors, Sam Adams, etc... The advertising doesn't necessarily make them
buy or consume more beer.


I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Are you
saying that that, for example, mouthwash advertising oesn't
make people paranoid about bad breath? Car ads don't glorify
fast driving (and roads with no traffic)? Perhaps I should
ask you to explain what effect you think advertising *does*
have.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote:

Sure it does, they are making a choice between Budweiser, Miller,
Coors, Sam Adams, etc... The advertising doesn't necessarily make them
buy or consume more beer.


I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Are you saying that
that, for example, mouthwash advertising oesn't make people paranoid
about bad breath? Car ads don't glorify fast driving (and roads with no
traffic)? Perhaps I should ask you to explain what effect you think
advertising *does* have.

DSK

Wellm I can tell you one thing..I am NOT diving off a balciny just so I
don't get white stuff from antiperspirant on my dress!

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:43:46 -0500, DSK wrote:

Frank Boettcher wrote:
Sure it does, they are making a choice between Budweiser, Miller,
Coors, Sam Adams, etc... The advertising doesn't necessarily make them
buy or consume more beer.


I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Are you
saying that that, for example, mouthwash advertising oesn't
make people paranoid about bad breath? Car ads don't glorify
fast driving (and roads with no traffic)? Perhaps I should
ask you to explain what effect you think advertising *does*
have.

Nope I'm saying that you won't necessarily eat more food because of
advertising, but you certainly might be swayed into eating the wrong
food, disallowing room for the right food.

If you have made a choice of what car to buy as a result of
advertising or your own method for making that decision you don't go
out and buy three more because they are advertised. And no, if you
stopped all advertising cold I believe those people who drive fast
would continue to do so.

Despite the fact that I don't think they work in most cases, If you
think you have halitosis and need a mouthwash, you don't buy every
brand available because they are advertised. And I don't believe the
advertising causes you to think you have bad breath (paranoia). I
believe bad breath preceded mouthwash.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Madison Avenue, just don't
believe they are a primary cause for or more appropriately an excuse
for an individuals lack of personal responsibility or discipline.

You say it works and maybe it does, however, It doesn't work on me so
I don't have that perspective. I generally purchase to fill a need,
and am affected by advertising to the extent that it provides a source
to be evaluated. I never, ever, believe the ad. without the
additional evaluation.

Frank


DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Frank Boettcher wrote:
Sure it does, they are making a choice between Budweiser, Miller,
Coors, Sam Adams, etc... The advertising doesn't necessarily make them
buy or consume more beer.


I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Are you saying that
that, for example, mouthwash advertising oesn't make people paranoid about
bad breath? Car ads don't glorify fast driving (and roads with no
traffic)? Perhaps I should ask you to explain what effect you think
advertising *does* have.

DSK


Well then, let's advertise crime and poverty away!


As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race, I make my proper
prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn.
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breath of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of
Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market-Place;
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in
Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch.
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch.
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings.
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would
cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Heading said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul; But, though we had
plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Heading said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards
withdrew,
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not God that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four-
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man- There are only
four things certain since Social Progress began:-
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,

And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wobbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins

When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!