I can't seem to get those pictures of Tom's fat family outta my mind.
Maybe if I tell you all my pet peeve you'll all know why it bothers me so seeing
people cripple and sicken themselves like that.
It used to be that people in my generation just said : "Leave 'em alone, if
they wanna be fat it's their right to be fat." Not any more! Nyut uh! My
generation's paying for all their Medicare that takes care off all their health
problems. Problems they wouldn't have it they weren't so freakin' fat.
Just like cigarette smokers who sue tobacco companies because they got
cancer fatties won't admit they're the ones to blame. Their problem is they can't
shut their pie-holes. They ate so much because they're gluttons. The Bible even
says gluttony is a sin. Do they care. Not a chance. They eat like hogs til they get
so fat they can't do anything physical for a good time. The only good time they
can have is to sit their obesity down to another big fattening meal. Then just like
in Tom's photos they lie around and let the weight pack on. Is this even considered
*human* behavior? It's more like how ticks behave.
The result is the typical American family. Tom's is the typical American
family, I'm afraid to say. It's disgusting. It's even worse that my generation has
to pay for the results of their gluttony. They're aughta be a law.
And how about the way they slow the whole world down. Ever get behind one
of them in a Supermarket? Forget about getting around them. They're so fat they
block the whole aisle. Some of them have to sit in those electric carts while they
push a full shopping cart and they stop you and ask you to get some sugary or greasy
thing from the top shelf. Pathetic and disgusting.
And the fat women are the worse. They wear some kind of big and tall man's
slacks and a XXXXXXXL tee shirt that they keep pulling down to try to disguise
the five or six rolls of fat that bulge around what should be their waist line. Makes
me wanna hurl.
Now, I know it ain't PC to say these things. But by all that's holy somebody's gotta
start the ball rolling before these fatties eat every penny of what they take outta
our paychecks. They'll be nothing left for us. Next thing ya know they'll have to
double and triple the withholding. And just because a bunch of fatties don't have
any interest other than eating.

Cheers,
Ellen (nobody calls me a fat chick)

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
I can't seem to get those pictures of Tom's fat family outta my mind.
Maybe if I tell you all my pet peeve you'll all know why it bothers me so
seeing
people cripple and sicken themselves like that.
It used to be that people in my generation just said : "Leave 'em alone,
if
they wanna be fat it's their right to be fat." Not any more! Nyut uh! My
generation's paying for all their Medicare that takes care off all their
health
problems. Problems they wouldn't have it they weren't so freakin' fat.
Just like cigarette smokers who sue tobacco companies because they got
cancer fatties won't admit they're the ones to blame. Their problem is
they can't
shut their pie-holes. They ate so much because they're gluttons. The Bible
even
says gluttony is a sin. Do they care. Not a chance. They eat like hogs til
they get
so fat they can't do anything physical for a good time. The only good time
they
can have is to sit their obesity down to another big fattening meal. Then
just like
in Tom's photos they lie around and let the weight pack on. Is this even
considered
*human* behavior? It's more like how ticks behave.
The result is the typical American family. Tom's is the typical
American
family, I'm afraid to say. It's disgusting. It's even worse that my
generation has
to pay for the results of their gluttony. They're aughta be a law.
And how about the way they slow the whole world down. Ever get behind
one
of them in a Supermarket? Forget about getting around them. They're so fat
they
block the whole aisle. Some of them have to sit in those electric carts
while they
push a full shopping cart and they stop you and ask you to get some sugary
or greasy
thing from the top shelf. Pathetic and disgusting.
And the fat women are the worse. They wear some kind of big and tall
man's
slacks and a XXXXXXXL tee shirt that they keep pulling down to try to
disguise
the five or six rolls of fat that bulge around what should be their waist
line. Makes
me wanna hurl.
Now, I know it ain't PC to say these things. But by all that's holy
somebody's gotta
start the ball rolling before these fatties eat every penny of what they
take outta
our paychecks. They'll be nothing left for us. Next thing ya know they'll
have to
double and triple the withholding. And just because a bunch of fatties
don't have
any interest other than eating.

Cheers,
Ellen (nobody calls me a fat chick)


Large numbers of Fatties can only exist because of excessive government
regulation and socialism. Most of those fatties are on group health
insurance or government run health programs. The health risks of these
behemoths are pooled with non fatties. If the government would end medicare,
medicaid and undo the tax benefits of non qualifying group health insurance
programs and make the fatties pay for true risks and consequences of their
own health problems they would see the skinny real fast. We don't need to
raise taxes on fast food or regulate what people eat. We simply must do less
and let individuals do more for themselves.

The American health care system is not the problem, for it is the best in
the history of the world. It is American health that is the problem which is
the result of lifestyle choices and the removal of responsibility.

Gilligan wrote:
Large numbers of Fatties can only exist because of excessive government
regulation and socialism. Most of those fatties are on group health
insurance or government run health programs. The health risks of these
behemoths are pooled with non fatties. If the government would end medicare,
medicaid and undo the tax benefits of non qualifying group health insurance
programs and make the fatties pay for true risks and consequences of their
own health problems they would see the skinny real fast.

I doubt it. They would just whine louder. After all, they
truly don't believe it's their own fault.


We don't need to
raise taxes on fast food or regulate what people eat. We simply must do less
and let individuals do more for themselves.


How about letting individuals be less subjected to food
advertisements 24/7? How about lowering the tariff
protection on sugar, so it's a bit less profitable to push
the stuff into everything?



The American health care system is not the problem, for it is the best in
the history of the world. It is American health that is the problem which is
the result of lifestyle choices and the removal of responsibility.


It's also the result of the profit motive: large
corporations are making lots of money convincing Americans
to eat more, thus becoming larger corporally.

DSK

DSK said:
It's also the result of the profit motive: large
corporations are making lots of money


Dave wrote:
Ah, Doug has the solution again. Don't ban fat--ban profits.

Ah, Dave goes for the ad-hominem again.

Did I say that?

At most, I suggested that the gov't banning competition &
free markets from the sugar business had helped create the
situation of Americans consuming such tremendous amounts of
sugar.

I got the idea you were in favor of free markets?

In the ideal world, people would look at the advertisements
for cheesburgers & fatty salty snacks and say "no thanks,
I'm not hungry just now." In the real world, advertising
works. Kinda scary if you think about it.

DSK

Almost right... ban excessively fat profits.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:06:06 -0500, DSK said:

It's also the result of the profit motive: large
corporations are making lots of money

Ah, Doug has the solution again. Don't ban fat--ban profits.

Ah, Dave goes for the ad-hominem again.


Dave wrote:
Identifying you as the person making the argument is not the same as
attacking you personally for making it.


Really?
Let's see... did you identify me as the person making the
argument- yes, no problem there. Did you mis-state the
argument that I proposed, so as to make my suggestion (and
me, by inference) seem stupid? Yes... somewhat of a problem
there. Was your statement intended to be vituperative rather
than part of a logical sequence? Yes.

QED




Did I say that?


The implication is clearly that there is something wrong with businesses'
wanting to make a profit.

Not at all.

Not much of a stretch then to say the solution is
to ban making a profit.


Only if you intend to be insulting... especially since that
was in no way even remotely suggested by my actual words.


I got the idea you were in favor of free markets?


Well, I do have this funny idea that raising the price of an item generally
reduces the quantity demanded rather than increasing the quantity demanded.

It does so, with the normal range of goods & in the absence
of other market inputs.

Addressing the first point, sugar is an good that creates
it's own demand. The more of it people eat, the more they
want, and there is a very high upper limit on that
consumption... you can continue to eat sugar after all your
teeth fall out, but the poor nutrition will not kill you for
many decades.

Addressing the second point, if sugar sellers could maximize
their profit by reducing prices so as to increase
consumption, why would they lobby to have a tariff barrier
in the first place?



Remember that funny graph with two lines making an X in the middle of it? A
bit old-fashioned, no doubt.

And not particularly accurate in reflecting this particular
situation.

DSK

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:06:06 -0500, DSK wrote:

Gilligan wrote:
Large numbers of Fatties can only exist because of excessive government
regulation and socialism. Most of those fatties are on group health
insurance or government run health programs. The health risks of these
behemoths are pooled with non fatties. If the government would end medicare,
medicaid and undo the tax benefits of non qualifying group health insurance
programs and make the fatties pay for true risks and consequences of their
own health problems they would see the skinny real fast.

I doubt it. They would just whine louder. After all, they
truly don't believe it's their own fault.


We don't need to
raise taxes on fast food or regulate what people eat. We simply must do less
and let individuals do more for themselves.


How about letting individuals be less subjected to food
advertisements 24/7? How about lowering the tariff
protection on sugar, so it's a bit less profitable to push
the stuff into everything?



The American health care system is not the problem, for it is the best in
the history of the world. It is American health that is the problem which is
the result of lifestyle choices and the removal of responsibility.


It's also the result of the profit motive: large
corporations are making lots of money convincing Americans
to eat more, thus becoming larger corporally.

With all due respect, please elaborate on this. They advertise their
offerings, healthy or not, but, how do they convince Americans to eat
more? I believe the current thinking is that overeating is an
emotional response to something wrong or lacking in an individua'ls
life. And we all at one time or another probably qualify. Corporate
America responsible for that? Possibly, if they've convinced us that
our lives are empty without their product(s). It requires some
individual responsibility and discipline to avoid succumbing to that
folly.

Be back later, have to run, weather's right. Planning 6.3 today. Run
30-36 miles per week. A much better solution than more regulation. I
can, as you might expect, eat anything and don't gain any weight.
But, I naturally choose to avoid those things that are not good, or
more aptly, provide no room for them by choosing those that are good.
(Scotty, Spam doesn't qualify) I don't need the Government to tell me
what they are. After all, they gave you fifty years of fake butter
with trans fats as a better choice than the real thing. And had eggs
on the taboo list for many years.

Frank

DSK

Capt. JG wrote:
Almost right... ban excessively fat profits.

Commie.

Joe

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:06:06 -0500, DSK said:

It's also the result of the profit motive: large
corporations are making lots of money

Ah, Doug has the solution again. Don't ban fat--ban profits.

Frank Boettcher wrote:



How about letting individuals be less subjected to food
I believe the current thinking is that overeating is an
emotional response to something wrong or lacking in an individua'ls
life. And we all at one time or another probably qualify. Corporate
America responsible for that? Possibly, if they've convinced us that
our lives are empty without their product(s). It requires some
individual responsibility and discipline to avoid succumbing to that
folly.

The middle aged, soon to be aged baby-boomers, were the resylts of
people who lived through the Depression who had lack of food and lack if
choice to live with...when I was a kid, we HAD to clean out plates (no
matter how much was put on them) and were often enjoined that there were
many who did not have food in the world...could never figure out how my
eating tuna casserole helped some starving person in China...I was all
for packing the stuff up and shipping it to Taiwan...

Dave wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:01:38 -0500, DSK said:

Before I begin, let me say I couldn't agree with you more that tariffs on
sugar, like tariffs on most if not all goods are poor policy and should be
abandoned.

What I don't understand is why they don't convert the sugar to Splenda,
thus still using the product so that sugar beet and cane farmers can
still market their crops, but lowering the harmful aspects of
sugar....it's a win/win situation...