Chi Chi wrote:
OK...after reading his explanation of the history of sailing in his
family, I addend this. WHen you take her sailing, don't ask her to do
anything. Make her as comfortable as possible. Have a bottle of wine
on board. A boc of chocolates, a good book. Ig things get dicey, don't
get mad. Just clear the decks and do what has to be done. And get your
engine fixed so it never happens again. DON'T not take her sailing when
she asks. Take fer, grit your teeth, and think of the benefits that
might come from being pleasant for the day.

Oh sure I'd bet You'd like that, being treated like royalty I suppose is
what You expect from men just because You're a female. With that type of
attitude the captain ought to throw your ass overboard. You ever hear the
word teamwork? Just like a marriage sailing is a team thing but I doubt You
comprehend that.


HAHAHAHAHA...you don't know me....I can't stand to have other people do
things for me, serve me, etc. I have noticed, thoughm that most men
have NO problem at all being catered to.

katy wrote:
Chi Chi wrote:
OK...after reading his explanation of the history of sailing in his
family, I addend this. WHen you take her sailing, don't ask her to do
anything. Make her as comfortable as possible. Have a bottle of wine
on board. A boc of chocolates, a good book. Ig things get dicey, don't
get mad. Just clear the decks and do what has to be done. And get your
engine fixed so it never happens again. DON'T not take her sailing when
she asks. Take fer, grit your teeth, and think of the benefits that
might come from being pleasant for the day.

Oh sure I'd bet You'd like that, being treated like royalty I suppose is
what You expect from men just because You're a female. With that type of
attitude the captain ought to throw your ass overboard. You ever hear the
word teamwork? Just like a marriage sailing is a team thing but I doubt You
comprehend that.


HAHAHAHAHA...you don't know me....I can't stand to have other people do
things for me, serve me, etc. I have noticed, thoughm that most men
have NO problem at all being catered to.

My 10 yr old daughter who likes every slimy thing there is would make
friends with the giant octopus.

Gilligan wrote: a bunch of mushroom induced gibberish...

you're suffering from altitude sickness....

wrote:
katy wrote:

Chi Chi wrote:

OK...after reading his explanation of the history of sailing in his
family, I addend this. WHen you take her sailing, don't ask her to do
anything. Make her as comfortable as possible. Have a bottle of wine
on board. A boc of chocolates, a good book. Ig things get dicey, don't
get mad. Just clear the decks and do what has to be done. And get your
engine fixed so it never happens again. DON'T not take her sailing when
she asks. Take fer, grit your teeth, and think of the benefits that
might come from being pleasant for the day.

Oh sure I'd bet You'd like that, being treated like royalty I suppose is
what You expect from men just because You're a female. With that type of
attitude the captain ought to throw your ass overboard. You ever hear the
word teamwork? Just like a marriage sailing is a team thing but I doubt You
comprehend that.



HAHAHAHAHA...you don't know me....I can't stand to have other people do
things for me, serve me, etc. I have noticed, thoughm that most men
have NO problem at all being catered to.


My 10 yr old daughter who likes every slimy thing there is would make
friends with the giant octopus.


A girl after my own heart...

katy wrote:
WHen you take her sailing, don't ask her to do
anything. Make her as comfortable as possible. Have a bottle of wine
on board. A boc of chocolates, a good book. Ig things get dicey, don't
get mad. Just clear the decks and do what has to be done. And get your
engine fixed so it never happens again. DON'T not take her sailing when
she asks. Take fer, grit your teeth, and think of the benefits that
might come from being pleasant for the day.

Okay I just cant let this one go. There is a lot of going back and forth
about which one os in the wrong and the fact is that it is both of their
faults. He should not have invited her to go out. If you want to spend time
with her on the boat sit and have lunch tied tot he dock. If she is not
comfortable on the water don't try to change her and make her like it. When
a problem arises you should know after 27 years with her that arguing back
when she drives you nuts is not going to work. I bet if you just suggested
that she go sit and relax while you deal with it and to please leave you
alone so that you can save what little patience you have for the job at hand
she would understand. Then you can be the problem solver all by yourself and
she can not have to worry about spending a bunch of time out there when she
is not comfortable on the water. Lesson 1: Don't bring someone sailing that
doesn't like the water.

Secondly she should have let him do what was needed. I am not going to make
a male/female remark here because she doesn't sound like someone that can not
handle adversity in nature but she is not a sailor and should have left the
decision making to someone that has experience in sailing instead of
constantly second guessing him and nagging him. That sort of behavior shows
a huge lack of consideration and respect for your partner. If anybody,
girlfriend wife friend or otherwise, ever treated me the way she treated him
I would seriously reconsider my relationship with them. She went out with
him knowing that he wanted to spend time with her and share something he
loves to do and when a little adversity strikes that he feels confident he
can resolve she spends the entire time nagging him instead of offering to
help or just stay out of the way.

This being said I am sure I will get a lot of people saying that I know
nothing of this sort of thing and I am stupid but the fact is that how we
treat each other, especially in rough times, is more important the small
experience at hand. if he was wrong in wanteing to stay there until the
morning, and he may have been, she still had no right to treat him that way.
She should have shown a little trust in his judgement as a sailor, a husband,
and a father, to make this call without second guessing him. He should have
known not to bring her. All in all I think that he may have learned
something by this esxperience but i doubt him appoligizing and taking full
blame for it will help her to learn from this and mae things better for them
both in the future.

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Frogwatch" wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
wrote:


Don White wrote:
wrote:
snip..
They tow us to the dock
and I go to pay. By this time I was seriously happy to be off the
boat
with my wife so even *the astonishing cost of $480* didn't faze me
much. It was $10/ft for the ungrounding (28' sailboat) and then
$165
minimum and a couple other fees.
snip...

Whoo hoo! Around here the Coast Guard...or some friendly boater will
always come to the rescue...for free.

Re-thinking this, I regret posting it. It has me blaming my wife for
my predicament when I had nobody but myslf to blame. If I had
displayed much more confidence and a fun atitude I could probably have
talked my wife into enjoying the overnight grounding. Unfortunately, I
consider sailing to be an excercise in problem solving so I do not sail
for the same reasons she does. I DID invite her. I apologize.

Well, you had me convinced you were right the first time, and now
you've convinced me again. Have you considered sales?
I do like the second convincing more.

--Vic

I think I have gotten too confident in problem solving without taking
into account the human dimension. This is probably why I enjoy single
handed sailing.
The solution would really have been to wait. There was no danger
although it is supposed to hit 30 degrees tonight. With two cell
phones, nobody would have to worry about us. Even if the wind direcion
did not change and I was unable to rig a fuel feed. SOMEBODY would be
coming down that channel on Monday.
I sulked the entire night after it happened cuz it really hurt my
pride. I probably should go make amends.

See ya.

Yeah, it's Soooo much fun going for a pleasure sail and having to bust
one's balls tacking and rebuilding engines when all you were wanting to do
was relax before hitting the weekly grind the next day.

Godivas are good:^)

Seahag


Look at how much character could have been built, then the weekly grind
wouldn't have seemed so bad.

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Frogwatch" wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
wrote:


Don White wrote:
wrote:
snip..
They tow us to the dock
and I go to pay. By this time I was seriously happy to be off the
boat
with my wife so even *the astonishing cost of $480* didn't faze me
much. It was $10/ft for the ungrounding (28' sailboat) and then
$165
minimum and a couple other fees.
snip...

Whoo hoo! Around here the Coast Guard...or some friendly boater will
always come to the rescue...for free.

Re-thinking this, I regret posting it. It has me blaming my wife for
my predicament when I had nobody but myslf to blame. If I had
displayed much more confidence and a fun atitude I could probably have
talked my wife into enjoying the overnight grounding. Unfortunately, I
consider sailing to be an excercise in problem solving so I do not sail
for the same reasons she does. I DID invite her. I apologize.

Well, you had me convinced you were right the first time, and now
you've convinced me again. Have you considered sales?
I do like the second convincing more.

--Vic

I think I have gotten too confident in problem solving without taking
into account the human dimension. This is probably why I enjoy single
handed sailing.
The solution would really have been to wait. There was no danger
although it is supposed to hit 30 degrees tonight. With two cell
phones, nobody would have to worry about us. Even if the wind direcion
did not change and I was unable to rig a fuel feed. SOMEBODY would be
coming down that channel on Monday.
I sulked the entire night after it happened cuz it really hurt my
pride. I probably should go make amends.

See ya.

Yeah, it's Soooo much fun going for a pleasure sail and having to bust
one's balls tacking and rebuilding engines when all you were wanting to do
was relax before hitting the weekly grind the next day.

Godivas are good:^)

Seahag


A dozen roses delivered in the morning followed by a nice dinner out will
make this bad event go away a bit faster.

Is this the same Gilligan who spent years on the island with Maryanne and
Ginger and didn't f..k either one?

Give me a break.

What a real man would have done is walk over to the wife, pull her
shirt/shorts off, bend her over, give her a good one. Then say "get the
anchor bitch, we seem to be hard aground".
=================================




"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..
Leave the wife home. Obviously she can not contribute to the solution of
the problem, she can only make matters worse. Just think of what might
have happened if someone was injured or quick action was needed to prevent
catastrophe.

The icing on the cake is to mention to her how lonely her retirement will
be when you are out sailing the world - without her.

I do not understand why men are expected to cater to women's emotionally
driven whims and are expected to "apologize" for not understanding. Why
aren't women expected to understand men? Why is it assumed that women are
so handicapped? Why must men yield to this emotional terrorism?

Women are wired for dealing with children, other women and some family
matters. Men are wired for dealing with the external world - things such
as attacking beasts, danger, dinosaurs, thugs, science, sailing and the
like. In your situation there was a conflict between the manly world and
the woman's world. It looks like the costliest solution won.

It is unfortunate that the great and powerful mind of that Master Mariner
Capt Neal is not here to contribute further on this subject. I am certain
that he would add brilliant insight.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:27:24 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

What a real man would have done is walk over to the wife, pull her
shirt/shorts off, bend her over, give her a good one. Then say "get the
anchor bitch, we seem to be hard aground".

And that I guess would explain your present relationship with the
inflatable Paris Hilton?

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..
Leave the wife home. Obviously she can not contribute to
the solution of the
problem, she can only make matters worse. Just think of
what might have
happened if someone was injured or quick action was needed
to prevent
catastrophe.

The icing on the cake is to mention to her how lonely her
retirement will be
when you are out sailing the world - without her.

Not married, are ya, Gilly?



I do not understand why men are expected to cater to
women's emotionally
driven whims and are expected to "apologize" for not
understanding. Why
aren't women expected to understand men? Why is it assumed
that women are so
handicapped? Why must men yield to this emotional
terrorism?


Maybe someday you'll get lucky....then you might understand.



Women are wired for dealing with children, other women and
some family
matters. Men are wired for dealing with the external
world - things such as
attacking beasts, danger, dinosaurs, thugs, science,
sailing and the like.
In your situation there was a conflict between the manly
world and the
woman's world. It looks like the costliest solution won.

It is unfortunate that the great and powerful mind of that
Master Mariner
Capt Neal is not here to contribute further on this
subject. I am certain
that he would add brilliant insight.


I believe he's batting for the other team now.