Docking Situation Question #3
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You need to get past the anchor thing. It's not going to help you much.

Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and it's use in
manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you panywaisted sailing
instructors with no experience in vessel handling without an engine to
depend on!

You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the title of Captain
because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and passed by thousands
every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the very basics of sail
that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a Captain??

Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest about the persons
taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants that consider a few
years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands as proof of
competency.

I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because when I was learning...
it was with hands on experience with real seafarers... and back then I kept
my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand.... you book read
wanna-be scumsucking dock diva!

You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot!

CM-

Docking Situation Question #3
 

"silverback" wrote
| Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and it's use in
| manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you panywaisted sailing
| instructors with no experience in vessel handling without an engine to
| depend on!
|
| You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the title of Captain
| because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and passed by thousands
| every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the very basics of sail
| that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a Captain??
|
| Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest about the persons
| taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants that consider a few
| years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands as proof of
| competency.
|
| I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because when I was learning...
| it was with hands on experience with real seafarers... and back then I kept
| my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand.... you book read
| wanna-be scumsucking dock diva!
|
| You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot!


Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his giddyup! I like your style, sir...

Cheers,
Ellen

Docking Situation Question #3
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message

I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an
anchor
to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced???

Ganz is so far out of his league as to merit any of his input as inept
guesswork.

Ground Tackle to manuever vessels is a tradition that goes back thousands of
years. To have Jon make such a ridiculous statement..... denotes his lack
of expertise and penchant to hear himself talk. Ganz is an idiot when it
comes to vessel handling.... he relies on book read info instead of
experience.

CM

Docking Situation Question #3
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message

Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his giddyup! I like
your style, sir...

It's refferred to as Dockside Ettiquette...

"Never Mince Words to Spare the Sensibilities of the Thin Skinned and
Ignorant" - Capt Neal

Your're either a sailor or a pussy... or in Jon's case... a Pussy Sailor

:-)

CM-

Docking Situation Question #3
 

silverback wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat
out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock....
can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz.

The wind force on the typical 30 foot sailboat in a 30 knot breeze is
about 700 pounds. And that's without the sail up.

I use to sail my 25 footer without firing up the engine for a season.
One of the few times I used it was to raise a well set anchor in a
crowded anchorage with a strong breeze. Even though I was 30 years
younger, I could just barely haul the boat up to the anchor with sails
set, and that was probably 500 pounds on the rode.



I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to
overcome is inertia....

With a 40 footer, the strain goes well over 1000 pounds. Yes, there
are probably a few tricks you can play, but just hauling hand over
hand isn't going to do much.

Docking Situation Question #3
 

"Jeff" wrote in message

The wind force on the typical 30 foot sailboat in a 30 knot breeze is
about 700 pounds. And that's without the sail up.

That statement is without fact, merit nor credence.

I use to sail my 25 footer without firing up the engine for a season. One
of the few times I used it was to raise a well set anchor in a crowded
anchorage with a strong breeze. Even though I was 30 years younger, I
could just barely haul the boat up to the anchor with sails set, and that
was probably 500 pounds on the rode.

A complete load of hogwash Jeff. Even if the forces approched such herculean
parameters.... the winches would compensate easily.

I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to
overcome is inertia....

With a 40 footer, the strain goes well over 1000 pounds. Yes, there are
probably a few tricks you can play, but just hauling hand over hand isn't
going to do much.

What is it about inertia you people can't seem top fathom? Once the vessel
starts moving in a direction it is easier to maintain that movement. It's
not a matter of strenght... it's a matter of smarts

There is no way a 30 or even 40 ft sailboat places a 700lb static load to a
mooring when into the wind. Surge loads are not viable for this equation
since they can be timed out.

Now here is the kicker Jeff... I indeed have hand over handed my 6 ton
sailboat into 30 kt winds from a lee dock in Great Slave Lake. It wasn't
really that difficult.

If you say it's not possible... I have to assume you've never actually
attempted it. Until you do... refrain from further input. You know not of
what you speak.

CM

Docking Situation Question #3
 

1 point for CM

Small boat might get off with a running start, but it
is by no means certain and this is a small subset of the
sailing population. The proper way is to set an
anchor and pull yourself off.

If the boat is big, it will have big winches. You can
winch yourself off the dock and lay to a single anchor.

As to when you should set your sails. That is a matter
of choice. When laying to a single anchor you can hoist
later or you can do it in advance--which means more work.

I'd just set the main after pulling myself off and leave the
foredeck clean for working up the anchor. With a roller
furler I'd unroll the jib enough to allow me to back the
sail but not enough to be in the way of hosting the anchor.
The advantage to having the jib set is you can back it if you
are in irons. The same could be done with the main, but less
effectively.


"silverback" wrote

"Scotty" wrote in message

the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
wind by hand???


YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny.
Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but
ready to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you
sail by the hook point.

Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know
what a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is
to preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all...
understand your boat.

CM

Docking Situation Question #3
 

That's a completely different situation, and in fact, if they had to rely on
strength, and not a combination of skill, timing, and planning ahead, they
wouldn't do very well. Strength is the least important factor.

You're not thinking about this very clearly. Start thinking. Typically women
make better sailors, for one reason because they DON'T try to muscle things.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead.


That's about the silliest thing you've said so far...
If it's true how come they don't *plan ahead* instead of having big
strong crewmen grind winches on racing yachts?


Cheers,
Ellen

Docking Situation Question #3
 

CM is an expert when it comes to coming out of the closet. Poor guy.

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ll_Og.18112$E67.14610@clgrps13...
... and Jon is planning to come out of the closet!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot
boat out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Cheers,
Ellen

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Poor Mooron. He has so much anger. So far, he can't do anything but call
people bad names.

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:mi_Og.18079$E67.17116@clgrps13...

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
| you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the
| wind by hand???


Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say
anything up to 25
feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat
out in
say 10-15 miles per hour wind.

Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock....
can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz.

I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to
overcome is inertia....

CM