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Docking Situation Question #3
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
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This situation should be avoided, because you can scrape up the side of the
boat, but you can walk the boat to the end of the dock with the sails down, then raise the jib and push the boat away. The jib will get the boat moving. As soon as you're moving, head up to a high close reach, then raise the main. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message oups.com... How do you sail off a dock when the wind is setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie situation with no motor] 1 pt |
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wrote | How do you sail off a dock when the wind is | setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie | situation with no motor] 1 pt That's easy for a small boat like a Sunfish. Just give it a nice strong push. But for a bigger one I guess you'd have to do something like this. Row out a small anchor. Set it well out from the dock near the middle of the boat. Tie the anchor line to the mid-cleat. Set your sails so they're in the *heave-to* position. Stand near the middle of the boat and pull it out sideways. Pull the anchor up. Let go the weather jib sheet and off you go... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... wrote | How do you sail off a dock when the wind is | setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie | situation with no motor] 1 pt That's easy for a small boat like a Sunfish. Just give it a nice strong push. But for a bigger one I guess you'd have to do something like this. Row out a small anchor. Set it well out from the dock near the middle of the boat. Tie the anchor line to the mid-cleat. Set your sails so they're in the *heave-to* position. Stand near the middle of the boat and pull it out sideways. Pull the anchor up. Let go the weather jib sheet and off you go... the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the wind by hand??? SBV |
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"Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.ne t... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. Well you said ''bigger boat''. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Have you ever tried it. I can pull my 30'er , bow first into wind, no sails up, but it's not easy. I wouldn't try it sideways with a sail up! SBV |
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"Scotty" wrote | Have you ever tried it. I can pull my 30'er , bow first | into wind, no sails up, but it's not easy. I wouldn't try | it sideways with a sail up! No, but I'm not a strong man. And you could always get help from the crew. Or wait for a lull. But it might not be as hard as you think. In the heave to position about half the mainsail is covered up by the jib. The total sail area probably isn't as big as you think. Plus the boat will lean over a little too spilling wind. Cheers, Ellen |
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You need to get past the anchor thing. It's not going to help you much.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... wrote | How do you sail off a dock when the wind is | setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie | situation with no motor] 1 pt That's easy for a small boat like a Sunfish. Just give it a nice strong push. But for a bigger one I guess you'd have to do something like this. Row out a small anchor. Set it well out from the dock near the middle of the boat. Tie the anchor line to the mid-cleat. Set your sails so they're in the *heave-to* position. Stand near the middle of the boat and pull it out sideways. Pull the anchor up. Let go the weather jib sheet and off you go... Cheers, Ellen |
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You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Cheers, Ellen |
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Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the
anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock. No big deal. CM wrote in message oups.com... How do you sail off a dock when the wind is setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie situation with no motor] 1 pt |
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"Scotty" wrote in message the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the wind by hand??? YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny. Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by the hook point. Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all... understand your boat. CM |
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"Capt. JG" wrote | You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead. That's about the silliest thing you've said so far... If it's true how come they don't *plan ahead* instead of having big strong crewmen grind winches on racing yachts? Cheers, Ellen |
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"silverback" wrote | Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the | anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done | this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock. | No big deal. I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an anchor to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced??? Cheers, Ellen |
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"silverback" wrote | YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny. | Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready | to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by | the hook point. | | Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what | a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to | preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all... | understand your boat. Right on CM. I like your style... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock.... can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz. I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to overcome is inertia.... CM |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | Have you ever tried it. I can pull my 30'er , bow first | into wind, no sails up, but it's not easy. I wouldn't try | it sideways with a sail up! No, but I'm not a strong man. And you could always get help from the crew. Or wait for a lull. But it might not be as hard as you think. In the heave to position about half the mainsail is covered up by the jib. The total sail area probably isn't as big as you think. Plus the boat will lean over a little too spilling wind. Oh Good Grief..... what type of resistance from the sails are you anticipating with the sheets running free... abeam to the wind????? Here's a clue.... NONE!! Let me guess... none of you have ever even tried this... have you? CM |
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.... and Jon is planning to come out of the closet!
CM- "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Cheers, Ellen |
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"silverback" wrote | Let me guess... none of you have ever even tried this... have you? I do it but not with the sails shaking. It's better if they're like they are when your hove to. The don't shake and the sheets don't get tangled in knots. And, the mainsail is ready to go. You get the anchor in. Let go the weather jib sheet and off you go. You need to have the lee jib sheet sheeted in too. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You need to get past the anchor thing. It's not going to help you much. Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and it's use in manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you panywaisted sailing instructors with no experience in vessel handling without an engine to depend on! You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the title of Captain because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and passed by thousands every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the very basics of sail that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a Captain?? Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest about the persons taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants that consider a few years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands as proof of competency. I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because when I was learning... it was with hands on experience with real seafarers... and back then I kept my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand.... you book read wanna-be scumsucking dock diva! You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot! CM- |
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"silverback" wrote | Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and it's use in | manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you panywaisted sailing | instructors with no experience in vessel handling without an engine to | depend on! | | You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the title of Captain | because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and passed by thousands | every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the very basics of sail | that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a Captain?? | | Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest about the persons | taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants that consider a few | years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands as proof of | competency. | | I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because when I was learning... | it was with hands on experience with real seafarers... and back then I kept | my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand.... you book read | wanna-be scumsucking dock diva! | | You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot! Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his giddyup! I like your style, sir... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an anchor to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced??? Ganz is so far out of his league as to merit any of his input as inept guesswork. Ground Tackle to manuever vessels is a tradition that goes back thousands of years. To have Jon make such a ridiculous statement..... denotes his lack of expertise and penchant to hear himself talk. Ganz is an idiot when it comes to vessel handling.... he relies on book read info instead of experience. CM |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his giddyup! I like your style, sir... It's refferred to as Dockside Ettiquette... "Never Mince Words to Spare the Sensibilities of the Thin Skinned and Ignorant" - Capt Neal Your're either a sailor or a pussy... or in Jon's case... a Pussy Sailor :-) CM- |
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silverback wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock.... can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz. The wind force on the typical 30 foot sailboat in a 30 knot breeze is about 700 pounds. And that's without the sail up. I use to sail my 25 footer without firing up the engine for a season. One of the few times I used it was to raise a well set anchor in a crowded anchorage with a strong breeze. Even though I was 30 years younger, I could just barely haul the boat up to the anchor with sails set, and that was probably 500 pounds on the rode. I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to overcome is inertia.... With a 40 footer, the strain goes well over 1000 pounds. Yes, there are probably a few tricks you can play, but just hauling hand over hand isn't going to do much. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message The wind force on the typical 30 foot sailboat in a 30 knot breeze is about 700 pounds. And that's without the sail up. That statement is without fact, merit nor credence. I use to sail my 25 footer without firing up the engine for a season. One of the few times I used it was to raise a well set anchor in a crowded anchorage with a strong breeze. Even though I was 30 years younger, I could just barely haul the boat up to the anchor with sails set, and that was probably 500 pounds on the rode. A complete load of hogwash Jeff. Even if the forces approched such herculean parameters.... the winches would compensate easily. I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to overcome is inertia.... With a 40 footer, the strain goes well over 1000 pounds. Yes, there are probably a few tricks you can play, but just hauling hand over hand isn't going to do much. What is it about inertia you people can't seem top fathom? Once the vessel starts moving in a direction it is easier to maintain that movement. It's not a matter of strenght... it's a matter of smarts There is no way a 30 or even 40 ft sailboat places a 700lb static load to a mooring when into the wind. Surge loads are not viable for this equation since they can be timed out. Now here is the kicker Jeff... I indeed have hand over handed my 6 ton sailboat into 30 kt winds from a lee dock in Great Slave Lake. It wasn't really that difficult. If you say it's not possible... I have to assume you've never actually attempted it. Until you do... refrain from further input. You know not of what you speak. CM |
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1 point for CM
Small boat might get off with a running start, but it is by no means certain and this is a small subset of the sailing population. The proper way is to set an anchor and pull yourself off. If the boat is big, it will have big winches. You can winch yourself off the dock and lay to a single anchor. As to when you should set your sails. That is a matter of choice. When laying to a single anchor you can hoist later or you can do it in advance--which means more work. I'd just set the main after pulling myself off and leave the foredeck clean for working up the anchor. With a roller furler I'd unroll the jib enough to allow me to back the sail but not enough to be in the way of hosting the anchor. The advantage to having the jib set is you can back it if you are in irons. The same could be done with the main, but less effectively. "silverback" wrote "Scotty" wrote in message the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the wind by hand??? YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny. Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by the hook point. Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all... understand your boat. CM |
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That's a completely different situation, and in fact, if they had to rely on
strength, and not a combination of skill, timing, and planning ahead, they wouldn't do very well. Strength is the least important factor. You're not thinking about this very clearly. Start thinking. Typically women make better sailors, for one reason because they DON'T try to muscle things. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Capt. JG" wrote | You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead. That's about the silliest thing you've said so far... If it's true how come they don't *plan ahead* instead of having big strong crewmen grind winches on racing yachts? Cheers, Ellen |
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CM is an expert when it comes to coming out of the closet. Poor guy.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:Ll_Og.18112$E67.14610@clgrps13... ... and Jon is planning to come out of the closet! CM- "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You're joking. Sailing isn't about strength. It's about planning ahead. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Cheers, Ellen |
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Poor Mooron. He has so much anger. So far, he can't do anything but call
people bad names. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:mi_Og.18079$E67.17116@clgrps13... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "Scotty" wrote | the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and | you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the | wind by hand??? Well, yeah. But, I'm not talking about really big boats. I'd say anything up to 25 feet would work that way. A strong man could probably pull a 30 foot boat out in say 10-15 miles per hour wind. Six tons of full keel cruising sailboat.... in 30 knots on a lee dock.... can be pulled to hook point.... even by a wimpy sissy like Ganz. I bet even Ole Thom could easily manage a 40 footer. The only thing to overcome is inertia.... CM |
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Mooron, among other things, is a proven liar. He's a very angry person. Just
watch how he reacts to anything someone says that's negative about him. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "silverback" wrote | YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny. | Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready | to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by | the hook point. | | Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what | a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to | preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all... | understand your boat. Right on CM. I like your style... Cheers, Ellen |
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You clearly know nothing about sailing away from the dock if you think an
anchor is going to help you. Get a life. So far, you're just a drag on this group. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:JA_Og.18250$E67.2252@clgrps13... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You need to get past the anchor thing. It's not going to help you much. Spoken from the mouth of inexperience. Ground tackle and it's use in manuevering vessels is an art long lost to you panywaisted sailing instructors with no experience in vessel handling without an engine to depend on! You Dare think you have sufficent experience to hold the title of Captain because you passed some idiotic exam that is taken and passed by thousands every week? You think because you teach rank newbs the very basics of sail that you have any merit to refer to yourself as a Captain?? Your ilk disgust me! You encapsulate everything I detest about the persons taking up sailing these days. Smarmy, whinning ****ants that consider a few years of bay sailing and a romp in the charter islands as proof of competency. I .... on the other hand... can talk now .... because when I was learning... it was with hands on experience with real seafarers... and back then I kept my mouth shut and my ears open. I learned first hand.... you book read wanna-be scumsucking dock diva! You're not fit too lick the salt from my boot! CM- |
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He's so angry, he can't stop. It's quite pathetic.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:BR_Og.18405$E67.166@clgrps13... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message Whoopee! Here's a man with a real big hitch in his giddyup! I like your style, sir... It's refferred to as Dockside Ettiquette... "Never Mince Words to Spare the Sensibilities of the Thin Skinned and Ignorant" - Capt Neal Your're either a sailor or a pussy... or in Jon's case... a Pussy Sailor :-) CM- |
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Wrong. Use your sailing skill.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:COZOg.17789$E67.9234@clgrps13... Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock. No big deal. CM wrote in message oups.com... How do you sail off a dock when the wind is setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie situation with no motor] 1 pt |
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Maybe you're not a woman. Maybe you're not a sailor. So far, you haven't
shown us much in the way of either. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message reenews.net... "silverback" wrote | Row out your anchor to windward. Set your sails. Pull your vessel to the | anchor. Tie off and set the sheets. Hoist anchor as you sail by. I've done | this so often it's second nature. It's called casting off from a lee dock. | No big deal. I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an anchor to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced??? Cheers, Ellen |
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Mooron is an angry guy with no social skills or life. He just can't stand it
when confronted by someone who actually sails. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:dN_Og.18365$E67.11309@clgrps13... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message I agree with you but Capt. JG says I should forget about using an anchor to sail off a dock. For a captain maybe he's inexperienced??? Ganz is so far out of his league as to merit any of his input as inept guesswork. Ground Tackle to manuever vessels is a tradition that goes back thousands of years. To have Jon make such a ridiculous statement..... denotes his lack of expertise and penchant to hear himself talk. Ganz is an idiot when it comes to vessel handling.... he relies on book read info instead of experience. CM |
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I'm sorry Bart, but we have a lot of experience with small boats in the SF
bay, and I've never see that happen or even attempted. In order to kedge off that way, you first have to deploy the anchor. Who's going to do it? Neither ASA nor USSailing's books mention this, although they do mention how to leave a dock in this situation. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... 1 point for CM Small boat might get off with a running start, but it is by no means certain and this is a small subset of the sailing population. The proper way is to set an anchor and pull yourself off. If the boat is big, it will have big winches. You can winch yourself off the dock and lay to a single anchor. As to when you should set your sails. That is a matter of choice. When laying to a single anchor you can hoist later or you can do it in advance--which means more work. I'd just set the main after pulling myself off and leave the foredeck clean for working up the anchor. With a roller furler I'd unroll the jib enough to allow me to back the sail but not enough to be in the way of hosting the anchor. The advantage to having the jib set is you can back it if you are in irons. The same could be done with the main, but less effectively. "silverback" wrote "Scotty" wrote in message the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO the wind by hand??? YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times! Raise main & genny. Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is holding but ready to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh anchor as you sail by the hook point. Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season without aux. I know what a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing. The key is to preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most of all... understand your boat. CM |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message Neither ASA nor USSailing's books mention this, although they do mention how to leave a dock in this situation. There you go... it ain't in the book so it can't be done!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaa...... thanks again you clueless idiot! CM- |
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Never said "it can't be done." I said it shouldn't be done. It doesn't need
to be done. Having reading problems??? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "silverback" wrote in message news:o80Pg.19443$E67.18633@clgrps13... "Capt. JG" wrote in message Neither ASA nor USSailing's books mention this, although they do mention how to leave a dock in this situation. There you go... it ain't in the book so it can't be done!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaa...... thanks again you clueless idiot! CM- |
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Geez Chuck.... you and Ganz should take this off line and get a room.
CM- "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:34:52 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: He's so angry, he can't stop. It's quite pathetic. That's why Ellen is attracted to him. She has a lot of anchor, too. CWM |
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