Docking Situation Question #3
 

Actually, what you're doing is displaying your dirty laundry for all the
world to see.

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"silverback" wrote in message
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I'm baiting Ganzy with facts he's unaware of. He'll respond that I'm
angry! :-)

CM

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"silverback" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message

the wind's blowing this bigger boat against the dock and
you're going to hoist sail and THEN pull the boat INTO
the
wind by hand???


YES! My boat is six tons and I've done it many times!
Raise main & genny.
Hand over hand the vessel to the point where the anchor is
holding but ready
to be weighed.... now take in sheets..... then weigh
anchor as you sail by
the hook point.

Scotty... it works everytime. I sailed for a season
without aux. I know what
a sailboat can do without an engine. It's truly amazing.
The key is to
preplan your manuevers. Think out the situation and most
of all...
understand your boat.


Shhhhh..be quiet Moron, you'll spoil all the fun!

Scotty

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Ewww....

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:34:52 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

He's so angry, he can't stop. It's quite pathetic.

That's why Ellen is attracted to him. She has a lot of
anchor, too.


Is that the best you could come up with, Jons new bitch?

SV

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Bzzt. You love yourself.

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"silverback" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message

Don't interrupt, he's on a roll.

I love this group..... :-)

CM

Docking Situation Question #3
 

You feel compelled to respond to every single one of my posts don't you. How
pathetic.

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"silverback" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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He's right that it's possible. He's not right that it's usually
necessary. If it were, it would be in the standard books. However, if you
wouldn't mind showing me a book or lesson plan that it is in, I'd be
happy to concede that someone out there is teaching it to others.

Ganzy is a book read sailor... Ganzy is a book read sailor.... Ganzy you
are so fricken Gay! Show you a book indeed!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa

CM-

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"Capt. JG" wrote in
| You feel compelled to respond to every single one of my posts don't you. How
| pathetic.



I agree with you.... Your posts are pretty pathetic. :-)


Cheers,
Ellen

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Please don't agree with me. You're not up to the job.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
| You feel compelled to respond to every single one of my posts don't you.
How
| pathetic.



I agree with you.... Your posts are pretty pathetic. :-)


Cheers,
Ellen

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Capt. JG wrote:
He's right that it's possible. He's not right that it's usually necessary.
If it were, it would be in the standard books. However, if you wouldn't mind
showing me a book or lesson plan that it is in, I'd be happy to concede that
someone out there is teaching it to others.

Well, since that wasn't the original question asked and you're the only
one who seems concerned, I'd have to say that what you're asking is a)
irrelevant and b) probably a red herring to attempt to change the focus
of the discussion from whether it's a viable thing to do to whether
it's routinely taught.

How many boats too big to move off with a push don't have engines these
days? Consider that this may well have a big bearing on what is or
isn't taught? I suspect the std teaching is to fire up the engine.....

Regarding historical sailing, I'm sure they did lots of things that we no
longer do. I'm pretty certain that there are lots of things that Mooron does
when (if he ever) sails that not be what those of years gone by have done.

Whatever works. Nobody said you have to *only* use historical
techniques *or* so-called modern ones, as you seem to be implying.
Before I bought an o/b for my toy boat I used to use a small mooring
block (big chunk of steel actually) and a long line to haul myself far
enough off a shallow lee shore to get enough water under me to lower
the c/b a bit. Same problem, similar solution. Now I just fire up the
Honda but the other way required more skill bacause if you didn't get
it right you'd be back ashore.

Kedging off works and the boat is under control at all times up to when
you sail over the anchor and break it free.

PDW

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Here's the original question:

How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Nothing said about kedging off. If the question had been how do you kedge
off the dock so you can sail, then we could have a discussion about
particular techniques.

I'm still waiting for the explanation about how one kedges off the dock when
there's no one around to take the kedge out or you don't have a dinghy to do
it or the conditions are such that you shouldn't take your dinghy off.

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"Peter" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
He's right that it's possible. He's not right that it's usually
necessary.
If it were, it would be in the standard books. However, if you wouldn't
mind
showing me a book or lesson plan that it is in, I'd be happy to concede
that
someone out there is teaching it to others.

Well, since that wasn't the original question asked and you're the only
one who seems concerned, I'd have to say that what you're asking is a)
irrelevant and b) probably a red herring to attempt to change the focus
of the discussion from whether it's a viable thing to do to whether
it's routinely taught.

How many boats too big to move off with a push don't have engines these
days? Consider that this may well have a big bearing on what is or
isn't taught? I suspect the std teaching is to fire up the engine.....

Regarding historical sailing, I'm sure they did lots of things that we no
longer do. I'm pretty certain that there are lots of things that Mooron
does
when (if he ever) sails that not be what those of years gone by have
done.

Whatever works. Nobody said you have to *only* use historical
techniques *or* so-called modern ones, as you seem to be implying.
Before I bought an o/b for my toy boat I used to use a small mooring
block (big chunk of steel actually) and a long line to haul myself far
enough off a shallow lee shore to get enough water under me to lower
the c/b a bit. Same problem, similar solution. Now I just fire up the
Honda but the other way required more skill bacause if you didn't get
it right you'd be back ashore.

Kedging off works and the boat is under control at all times up to when
you sail over the anchor and break it free.

PDW

Docking Situation Question #3
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Here's the original question:

How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Nothing said about kedging off.


Of course not, that's the answer.

SBV

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For what?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Here's the original question:

How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Nothing said about kedging off.


Of course not, that's the answer.

SBV

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Here's the original question:

How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Nothing said about kedging off. If the question had been how do you kedge
off the dock so you can sail, then we could have a discussion about
particular techniques.

As Scotty said, it's *an* answer, not the question.

I'm still waiting for the explanation about how one kedges off the dock when
there's no one around to take the kedge out or you don't have a dinghy to do
it or the conditions are such that you shouldn't take your dinghy off.

Heh. Nobody said it was *the* answer, only that it was *an* answer.

I can't understand the bit about not having someone around to take the
kedge out anyway. The boat's tied up to a dock, right? What's to stop
*you*, if singlehanding, taking the kedge out yourself?

In addition if the wind/waves are bad enough to stop you
rowing/motoring a dinghy off to drop the kedge anchor, I'd like to see
you get the big boat off the dock face. You sure aren't going to be
pushing it off.

Besides you missed the obvious scenario where kedging off wouldn't
work, if you're looking for reasons not to do something.

Now I've lost interest. You're just arguing to try and obfuscate a
pretty simple answer that you don't agree with, because Mooron
suggested it originally.

PDW

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Actually, he said "it's the answer." It's not the only answer, nor is it the
most common answer. In fact, it's one of the least common answers.

How does one take the kedge out oneself, if you don't have a means to do
it... dink, whatever?

I really don't care if you've lost interest. I'm not trying to obfuscate
anything. I gave an answer that was not only technically accurate but common
practice AND what is taught. Someone else gave an answer that is in the
less-than-1-percent use solution.

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"Peter" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Here's the original question:

How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Nothing said about kedging off. If the question had been how do you kedge
off the dock so you can sail, then we could have a discussion about
particular techniques.

As Scotty said, it's *an* answer, not the question.

I'm still waiting for the explanation about how one kedges off the dock
when
there's no one around to take the kedge out or you don't have a dinghy to
do
it or the conditions are such that you shouldn't take your dinghy off.

Heh. Nobody said it was *the* answer, only that it was *an* answer.

I can't understand the bit about not having someone around to take the
kedge out anyway. The boat's tied up to a dock, right? What's to stop
*you*, if singlehanding, taking the kedge out yourself?

In addition if the wind/waves are bad enough to stop you
rowing/motoring a dinghy off to drop the kedge anchor, I'd like to see
you get the big boat off the dock face. You sure aren't going to be
pushing it off.

Besides you missed the obvious scenario where kedging off wouldn't
work, if you're looking for reasons not to do something.

Now I've lost interest. You're just arguing to try and obfuscate a
pretty simple answer that you don't agree with, because Mooron
suggested it originally.

PDW

Docking Situation Question #3
 

It's actually pretty simple. - Sit back, sip a few margaritas, and sail
out when the winds change direction.

With medium to large boats, however, aren't you going to have auxiliary
power?

Jim


wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

Docking Situation Question #3
 

No, but you have to use your anchor. There is no other way, apparently. :-)
I can just see people swinging their anchor around their heads like the
hammer throw in the Olympics, so they can get it out far enough to kedge.

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"JimC" wrote in message
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It's actually pretty simple. - Sit back, sip a few margaritas, and sail
out when the winds change direction.

With medium to large boats, however, aren't you going to have auxiliary
power?

Jim


wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is
setting you towards the dock. [Assume an end-tie
situation with no motor] 1 pt

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Capt. JG wrote:
No, but you have to use your anchor. There is no other way, apparently. :-)
I can just see people swinging their anchor around their heads like the
hammer throw in the Olympics, so they can get it out far enough to kedge.

....and wrapping the rode, anchor and all, around an innocent bystanders
neck...

Docking Situation Question #3
 

No, that would never happen. You have to be alone in order to kedge.

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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
No, but you have to use your anchor. There is no other way, apparently.
:-) I can just see people swinging their anchor around their heads like
the hammer throw in the Olympics, so they can get it out far enough to
kedge.

...and wrapping the rode, anchor and all, around an innocent bystanders
neck...

Docking Situation Question #3
 

Capt. JG wrote:
No, that would never happen. You have to be alone in order to kedge.


Don't tell anyone..we've lefged with 2 people aboard...will we be fined
when they find out?