DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
OK you strive to do right, and they killed your kid because you were
not able to make them talk.. Was that right? Evil won. You lost...
over...no second chance.


1- torture is evil
2- People who torture others are evil
3- People who order others to commit torture are evil

agreeded what's your problem? The president said he did not approve
torture.
I do not endorse torture, just effective questioning.

How do you think we should get intel from a captured prisioner?
Is it OK to detain and question known enemy leaders ?



And here's a big one:

4- things prisoners say to avoid or reduce torture are not
necessarily facts.

Things you get by feeding prisioners 3 meals a day and providing AC,
TV, koran, ect are not nessarily facts.


5- Torture very often goes wrong, such as when some "OGA
guys" killed one of the Al-Queda #2 men they captured before
he could reveal anything. Apparently had a weak heart or
something. Oh well.

Yeah oh well....to bad......so sad. BTW if your going to wage war and
get captured you should make sure your heart is up to it.


So tell us Joe, what if you torture an Al-Queda prisoner and
gain NO useful info? Actually, that's not a 'what if' that
is what has happened.

Bummer......perhaps you can pitch in with OZ and send the *******s a
care package!

Someone sucker punches me I'm going to stomp the **** outta em, or go
down trying. You can kiss and coddle his ass all you wan't and be the
better man yet bloodier and perhaps dead if he see you are to weak to
defend yourself.



In short, whatever your opponent does is not an excuse for
what *you* do, unless you're one of those weak-minded
weenies who think everything is somebody else's fault and
cannot take responsibility for your actions.

Yeah I'm sure if the tower was taken down in LA, and 1000's died, you
would be all over Bush saying why diden't you do everything you could
to prevent it? You would want him impeached, for sure if we had the
planner in custody and did not bother to find out what his next mass
murder plan was. Right?

You have studied history a bit Doug.

Questions, you never bothered to answer
1. Did we capture enemy nazi's and Japs?
2. Did we question them?
3. Did we tell the world were we kept them during questioning? Were
they given lawers to defend them during the war?

And here's the one that matters.

Would you use extreme questioning (" torture" to you Lilly Bural
winnies) techniques on Abu Zubaydah to save 1000 Americans from getting
murdered?

Joe

DSK