Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article . com,
Joe wrote:

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/iraq...es-photos.html

Yeah, it's gruesome. In any case, that doesn't justify us torturing
others.

What if it was your wife? And the only way to keep them from doing it
to your daughter was to find out what they were going to do next?

Of course, if was my wife, daughter, or someone else near and dear to
me, I would want to use every technique I could to prevent them from
being harmed and/or smash those who did it. However, we should not be
driven by what we would like to do or want to do, but rather we should
strive to do what is right. Torture is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a
right.

OK you strive to do right, and they killed your kid because you were
not able to make them talk.. Was that right? Evil won. You lost...
over...no second chance.

We should all strive to do good and right Jon.

Now, you make the guy talk, and you dont kill him, or even have to get
physical and he talks and your child lives a long and happy life.. You
won...he goes to prison. Yeah!!!!

You can not turn the other cheek with these people Jon, you can not
barter, or buy them it's been public for many yrs the 25million dollar
reward for Ossama. They were a large well formed well funded terrorist
group .. Now the big wigs are in Gitmo.....

You act as if the USA swooped up poor John Doe put bamboo under his
finger nails, tore out his tounge and tossed him out of a helo to make
the other talk.


It's easy to bring up the the ticking bomb scenario and use that as a
justification to torture people. The only problem is that it's rarely
necessary.

At war the bomb is ticking and exploding every day, it's fact these
guys were going to attack LA in 2002.

And, you must be very cautious before opening that
Pandora's Box.

I think the upmost caution is used, and the list is a mile long, and
the DNA is there, and film, photos, fingerprints, paper trails,
internet trails, phone trails, even the licene plate on the last camel
they rode.

What follows is a very slippery slope, leading to the
abridgement of everything we hold to be right.

Perhpas youd be happier if give up now, and crap on what our fore
father spent 200 plus years fighting for so we can all be gentleman to
jihad radical muslims out to murder us infidels.

Would you use agressive questioning methods?

Of course, and aggressive questioning is legal. Torture is not.

Are we at war?

We are. We didn't torture anyone in any previous war that I'm aware
of, including WWII,

I agree, but we did some very rough questioning on the battle fields I
assure you.

where some of the perpetrators of horrible acts
certainly deserved it, although there were some individuals who did
I'm sure. What they did, and what has happened recently (much
publicized) is illegal, and those who do it should be expelled from
their positions and sent to prison.

Uhh we did that Jon, just the other day with the yahoo's in Iraq.

Can we detain and question the enemy?

We can, do, and always have done so.

And do we disclose where we were keeping them, give them due process?

The president says he never has given permission, and will never give
permission to torture anyone.

Yes, but he's lied or mislead us so many times, that he's not
believeable.

According to M. Moore , Gore, and the Chicks with dicks.

Joe
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