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The 100 yard rule
Capt. JG wrote: I believe you should hail them and state your intentions. Otherwise, they'll hail you (with bullets). Correct, Ch 16 just ask permission from the ship or it's escort. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? Joe |
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The 100 yard rule
DSK wrote: Capt. JG wrote: I believe you should hail them and state your intentions. Otherwise, they'll hail you (with bullets). At our marina there is a big poster saying that the exclusion zone around military vessels is 500 yards. Homeland security says the protection zone is 500 yrds(slow speed only) and 100 yrds is the exclusion zone. Joe There are a couple of "interesting" spots along the ICW such as the area around Norfolk Naval Base, the main ICW channel goes right along the piers and there is military/gov't activity on both sides. This part of the channel is regularly patrolled by armed small boats and helicopters. Then there is the Onslow Beach area that is used by both Navy and Marines for exercises, such as amphib exercises and artillery training. We've been putt-putting down the canal through here and seen a bunch of amphibs rumble out of the woods and into the water, across the canal and up onto land on the other side. Interesting to watch but we stopped immediately and waited until they'd cleared the area. Unfortunately they weren't listening to VHF. The artillery guys do broadcast warnings on VHF plus there is a large sign with flashing yellow lights. Then there is the military depot near Wilmington. The ICW doesn't go past it, but the ICW channel does merge with the Cape Fear river sea channel right at the spot where the depot shipping channel splits off into their basin. A lot of people follow the wrong markers and end up being escorted out of the basin by security boats with .50cals aimed at them.... these guys are *very* touchy when a big ship is loading ammo or anything sensitive for overseas missions. It has occasionally happened that we sail through an exercise operation with several ships, usually we get a few aircraft flying over to check us out. The Navy is very good about radio communications... wonder why... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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The 100 yard rule
Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? A few years ago, there was a big event in the Solent that featured US warships. An exclusion zone was in force around the US ships. As I approached the USS Enterprise (IIRC??), I noticed that she had a RIB out on the water keeping other boats at bay. As the RIB was busy at her stern, I sailed under her bow. I was amazed at the clearance between the top of my mast and the bow of that ship!!! It was absolutely enormous. Nobody shot at us, although a guy did shake his fist (or was it a gun) at us. You are lucky they did not have the anchor ready to let go ! Before 9-11 I use to take my dink to Morgan's Point were the container ships are unloaded, we would stop and stand on the bulb bows, moter between the prop and rudder, go in and out of every slip just checking things out....and you could go 2 blocks under the docks X 1+ miles long like the bat cave or something, lot's of fun. No one ever noticed us or cared. Joe Regards Donal -- |
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The 100 yard rule
yeah, but I don't get any points..
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: I believe you should hail them and state your intentions. Otherwise, they'll hail you (with bullets). Correct, Ch 16 just ask permission from the ship or it's escort. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? Joe |
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The 100 yard rule
Like this... taken back in 2000.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46958907710588 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? A few years ago, there was a big event in the Solent that featured US warships. An exclusion zone was in force around the US ships. As I approached the USS Enterprise (IIRC??), I noticed that she had a RIB out on the water keeping other boats at bay. As the RIB was busy at her stern, I sailed under her bow. I was amazed at the clearance between the top of my mast and the bow of that ship!!! It was absolutely enormous. Nobody shot at us, although a guy did shake his fist (or was it a gun) at us. You are lucky they did not have the anchor ready to let go ! Before 9-11 I use to take my dink to Morgan's Point were the container ships are unloaded, we would stop and stand on the bulb bows, moter between the prop and rudder, go in and out of every slip just checking things out....and you could go 2 blocks under the docks X 1+ miles long like the bat cave or something, lot's of fun. No one ever noticed us or cared. Joe Regards Donal -- |
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The 100 yard rule
Capt. JG wrote: Like this... taken back in 2000. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46958907710588 Yelp... That a helo ship..whats the name? You guys just off Oakland? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? A few years ago, there was a big event in the Solent that featured US warships. An exclusion zone was in force around the US ships. As I approached the USS Enterprise (IIRC??), I noticed that she had a RIB out on the water keeping other boats at bay. As the RIB was busy at her stern, I sailed under her bow. I was amazed at the clearance between the top of my mast and the bow of that ship!!! It was absolutely enormous. Nobody shot at us, although a guy did shake his fist (or was it a gun) at us. You are lucky they did not have the anchor ready to let go ! Before 9-11 I use to take my dink to Morgan's Point were the container ships are unloaded, we would stop and stand on the bulb bows, moter between the prop and rudder, go in and out of every slip just checking things out....and you could go 2 blocks under the docks X 1+ miles long like the bat cave or something, lot's of fun. No one ever noticed us or cared. Joe Regards Donal -- |
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The 100 yard rule
You know I can't remember the name. It was off Treasure Island kinda half
way between the island and SF. That was a great day... Blue Angels were out and about. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message ps.com... Capt. JG wrote: Like this... taken back in 2000. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46958907710588 Yelp... That a helo ship..whats the name? You guys just off Oakland? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... If you have to pass closer that 100 yards from a US Navy ship, How can you do it legally today with the homeland security rules in place?. How large is the Navy Vessel Protection Zone ? and at what distance to a US Navy ship do you have to go at a minimum speed? A few years ago, there was a big event in the Solent that featured US warships. An exclusion zone was in force around the US ships. As I approached the USS Enterprise (IIRC??), I noticed that she had a RIB out on the water keeping other boats at bay. As the RIB was busy at her stern, I sailed under her bow. I was amazed at the clearance between the top of my mast and the bow of that ship!!! It was absolutely enormous. Nobody shot at us, although a guy did shake his fist (or was it a gun) at us. You are lucky they did not have the anchor ready to let go ! Before 9-11 I use to take my dink to Morgan's Point were the container ships are unloaded, we would stop and stand on the bulb bows, moter between the prop and rudder, go in and out of every slip just checking things out....and you could go 2 blocks under the docks X 1+ miles long like the bat cave or something, lot's of fun. No one ever noticed us or cared. Joe Regards Donal -- |
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The 100 yard rule
OK, I'll take a closer look at the regs here. I wonder if
it's different in different ports. It also may be the poster at our marina was issued just after Sept 11th and the rules was stricter. DSK Capt. JG wrote: This was in the LNtM: A 100-yard security zone is in place surrounding all cruise ships, tank vessels, or any other vessel that the U.S. Coast Guard deems to be a high interest vessel within San Francisco Bay, Monterey Bay and Humboldt Bay. A security zone is in place around all U.S. Naval Vessels greater than 100-feet in length within the navigable waters of the U.S. This permanent protection zone extends 100-yards around all naval vessels and it includes a 500-yard slow zone in which all mariners must operate at the minimum speed necessary. |
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The 100 yard rule
That was from one a while back, but I doubt much as changed. It would have
been fairly easy to miss, except that it got a lot of press in the local sailing community. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message .. . OK, I'll take a closer look at the regs here. I wonder if it's different in different ports. It also may be the poster at our marina was issued just after Sept 11th and the rules was stricter. DSK Capt. JG wrote: This was in the LNtM: A 100-yard security zone is in place surrounding all cruise ships, tank vessels, or any other vessel that the U.S. Coast Guard deems to be a high interest vessel within San Francisco Bay, Monterey Bay and Humboldt Bay. A security zone is in place around all U.S. Naval Vessels greater than 100-feet in length within the navigable waters of the U.S. This permanent protection zone extends 100-yards around all naval vessels and it includes a 500-yard slow zone in which all mariners must operate at the minimum speed necessary. |
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