Each boat is different. In this case, both RB's
and my boat will gain VMG by footing off. However, the optimal point
for the 35s5 is maybe 38 degrees with a VMG of 5.2 (I'm guessing)
while mine is 43 with a VMG of 5.5.


At 38 degrees the 35s5 shows 6.4 knots with a VMG of 5.855. I expect
that Donal's 33.7 points a bit better than my boat and I think you're
underselling the performance of the First Series boats, which is well
regarded.
In addition, if I'm heading home on a port tack, about to come around
an obstacle, I will well apreciate the 35s5's pointing ability and 5.8
knots is just fine. I'm sitting there, holding the big wheel, little
Thomas at my side. I'd like to just hold my course, clear the obstacle
and keep on sailing. You would have me fall off, gather speed, tack,
blah blah. What's the hurry all the time? Just SAIL and use the boat's
pointing potential from time to time.
Boats that can point better are just more fun, or as someone a lot
smarter than me wrote,

"The boat with greater directional control is usually thought to be the
better design."

Suitability is everything...something Jeff doesn't seem to understand.
I've already sailing the 35s5 across a series of days where the PDQ
would have crawled by comparison, though Jeff readily admits he motors
in such conditions.
Here we are again, Jeff. Hope you're happy!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Each boat is different. In this case, both RB's
and my boat will gain VMG by footing off. However, the optimal point
for the 35s5 is maybe 38 degrees with a VMG of 5.2 (I'm guessing)
while mine is 43 with a VMG of 5.5.


At 38 degrees the 35s5 shows 6.4 knots with a VMG of 5.855.

No - those numbers don't compute. The 6.4 is reasonable, but that
implies VMG of 5.04. And remember the 40.7 only does 6.8 at 38 degrees.

I expect
that Donal's 33.7 points a bit better than my boat and I think you're
underselling the performance of the First Series boats, which is well
regarded.

I'm not underselling, I'm quoting the polars of the 40.7. I gather
Beneteau is so proud (rightfully so) of them that they're posted next
to the helm on every boat. In light air the 40.7 clearly beats the
PDQ, by as much as 20%, but that evens up at around 10 knots. At 12
knots the cat pulls ahead and at higher winds its faster a almost
every point of sail.

In addition, if I'm heading home on a port tack, about to come around
an obstacle, I will well apreciate the 35s5's pointing ability and 5.8
knots is just fine. I'm sitting there, holding the big wheel, little
Thomas at my side. I'd like to just hold my course, clear the obstacle
and keep on sailing. You would have me fall off, gather speed, tack,
blah blah. What's the hurry all the time? Just SAIL and use the boat's
pointing potential from time to time.

You're really quibbling over a few degrees, and a few tenths of a
knot. A cat will point almost as high as a mono, its just not worth
it because it goes so much faster by footing off. Yes, a mono may
shoot around an obstacle a bit better. I suppose in your mind that's
a good reason to chose a boat.


Boats that can point better are just more fun, or as someone a lot
smarter than me wrote,

Boats that do 12 knots with little effort are fun. You're just
infatuated about pointing because you learned about it this year.



"The boat with greater directional control is usually thought to be the
better design."

??? And this means what, that fin keel boat are bad because they
need help to have any control?


Suitability is everything...something Jeff doesn't seem to understand.
I've already sailing the 35s5 across a series of days where the PDQ
would have crawled by comparison, though Jeff readily admits he motors
in such conditions.

I've said many times that your boat is a reasonable choice for light
air, flat water, day sailing. The rest of us have real boats for the
real world.

Here we are again, Jeff. Hope you're happy!

I'll be happier on Saturday, when we're on our way to the Vineyard.

Yes, a mono may
shoot around an obstacle a bit better. I suppose in your mind that's
a good reason to chose a boat.



That's one reason. Others are she has to please my eye, she must be fun
to sail in most conditions, even in light air, she has to be
comfortable on deck and below...and since we're a few years from having
much more time to sail, she need not cost over 100K.
You'll note that your PDQ fails in every respect and you really don't
find them often on the LIS, which I'm sure you know is a well loved and
famous sailing ground. If I was to be 100% honest, I'd probably have to
admit that the ugly lines of Catamarans are just too much for me to
deal with. I wouldn't marry an ugly woman and I won't sail an ugly
boat. I'm happy for you that you could get past this problem, but for
many people it's a real problem.

Sorry, Jeff. Your boat just doesn't cut it here. Frankly, because she's
a bore to sail in general, she really doesn't cut it for me anywhere.
She ranks right up there with motorsailors and trawlers.
Nothing you can say, no polars or stories of her practicality can ease
the pain that she is on a sailors eyes or the dullness of her flat
helm. Our 35s5 feels like flying...and we love her for it. We don't
want a vessel that takes away the feel of sailing. Maybe we need to
grow up...or maybe we hope we never will!!!!

RB
35s5
NY

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

I wouldn't marry an ugly woman


That sums up the ****head rather nicely, eh?


--
Scotty.....''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot,
with any degree of
credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors''

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

In addition, if I'm heading home on a port tack, about to
come around
an obstacle,

like a charted rock ?



I'm sitting there, like a truck driver, holding the big
wheel, little
Thomas at my side. I'd like to just hold my course, HIT
the obstacle
and keep on sailing.

Oiy!