"Carcharias" wrote in message
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I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.

So you want a light boat with a high SAD.

More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement.

Hmmm.. How big is your budget?

Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly.

Do you really want a racer-cruiser?


I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.




Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Forget speed. You really want an Island Packet.


Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.

Too fast for you?


The rig is weak,

Is it? Perhaps you could direct us to some reports of broken Beneteau
rigs .... or perhaps you cannot??


the factory sails are
horrible,


This ridiculous statement demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. Why
would you use the factory sails if you were interested in high speed
sailing.

Good troll, but no points for credibility!!


Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:




I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.






Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.


Too fast for you?


Then is the Benateau considered more in the "light but fast" category? I
sailed offshore on a 39-ft B a few months ago in 30 - 35 kt winds, with
breaking waves. My impression was that it was somewhat difficult to
keep the boat on course (yawed back and forth as it went over the
waves). - However, it did routinely cruise at 7 knots when the winds
were slower.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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Then is the Benateau considered more in the "light but fast" category? I
sailed offshore on a 39-ft B a few months ago in 30 - 35 kt winds, with
breaking waves. My impression was that it was somewhat difficult to
keep the boat on course (yawed back and forth as it went over the
waves). - However, it did routinely cruise at 7 knots when the winds
were slower.



There are two main types of Beneteau. The more common version is the
"Oceanis", which is a fairly light cruiser with reasonable performance. The
other is the "First", which is lighter and faster. The "First" boats have
flatter bottoms and very deep rudders. Some of the "First" models have
quite spartan interiors. The "Oceanis" models have smaller cockpits,
rounded bottoms, larger interior accomodation and shorter rudders.

My boat is a First 33.7. It often does 8Kts. It once did 15Kts down a big
wave under spinnaker. I don't find it difficult to keep the boat on course,
but this is a subjective view.


Regards


Donal
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My boat is a First 33.7. It often does 8Kts. It once did 15Kts down
a big
wave under spinnaker. I don't find it difficult to keep the boat on
course,
but this is a subjective view.


The 33.7 is fast to be sure and it can do a heck of a lot better than 8
knots on a reach. I did 10 knots this morning! The 33.7 has an okay
interior, but my 35s5 interior is nicer. I find the 36.7 interior to be
junk, but there's no debate on the boat's stellar performance.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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My boat is a First 33.7. It often does 8Kts. It once did 15Kts down
a big
wave under spinnaker. I don't find it difficult to keep the boat on
course,
but this is a subjective view.


The 33.7 is fast to be sure and it can do a heck of a lot better than 8
knots on a reach. I did 10 knots this morning! The 33.7 has an okay
interior, but my 35s5 interior is nicer. I find the 36.7 interior to be
junk, but there's no debate on the boat's stellar performance.

I looked at the 36.7 a couple of years ago, and I was very dissappointed.
It is almost a pure racer. The accomodation is very poor., but I am sure
that the performance is truly spectacular.

I think that my next boat will be a bit more like this...
http://www.maloyachts.se/Default.aspx?tabid=66

I'm getting older, and I want a bit of comfort.

Regards


Donal
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I looked at the 36.7 a couple of years ago, and I was very
dissappointed.
It is almost a pure racer. The accomodation is very poor., but I am
sure
that the performance is truly spectacular.


Have a look at the 40.7....another boat on my list for down the road,
assuming I don't actually get a smaller boat like an Alerion 28
(another idea I'm entertaining myself with).
The 40.7 is very fast and pretty comfy below. Fit and finish is so-so
on the single example I saw....but for the fun factor I bet I could
live with it.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

I looked at the 36.7 a couple of years ago, and I was very
dissappointed.
It is almost a pure racer. The accomodation is very poor., but I am
sure
that the performance is truly spectacular.


Have a look at the 40.7....another boat on my list for down the road,
assuming I don't actually get a smaller boat like an Alerion 28
(another idea I'm entertaining myself with).
The 40.7 is very fast and pretty comfy below. Fit and finish is so-so
on the single example I saw....but for the fun factor I bet I could
live with it.

I looked at the 40.7.

It only has 6" more accomodation down below than the 33.7.


Most of the extra length is wasted because the huge steering wheel means
that the rear cabins finish 5 feet from the stern.


Regards

Donal
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Donal wrote:


I think that my next boat will be a bit more like this...
http://www.maloyachts.se/Default.aspx?tabid=66

I'm getting older, and I want a bit of comfort.


Nice boat, even has a windshield....Wipers?
Your getting half a clue..

Joe




Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote:

Nice boat, even has a windshield....Wipers?
Your getting half a clue..

That would be "you're" not "your", Joe. And I thought those 3 grade English
lessons you were taking was helping you. Such a setback!

LP

8 knots? So you were sailing with a 4 knot current?

15 knots? You? Under spinnaker? You need to lay off that LSD man.

Capt. Rob wrote:
My boat is a First 33.7. It often does 8Kts. It once did 15Kts down
a big
wave under spinnaker. I don't find it difficult to keep the boat on
course,
but this is a subjective view.