One of our more talented regulars must have pulled this
one off.


Yeah, but rather than slamming the Beneteau in such an obvious way, he
should have taken a few small jabs, like coming up with a good story on
a how a a 38s5 fell apart at sea during a charter, or how his insurance
company won't cover Beneteau, a few gentle jabs to get things going. Oh
well.

Did I ever tell you about the time my yard had to repair the hull deck
joint on a Luders 33? Practical Sailor mentions that it's a weakness on
them and the Sea Sprite.


RB
35s5
NY

I'm not looking for a trawler.

For price. I thought that would be obvoius. I picked that size
because of price.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Wow! Cool troll!!!!

Seemed real except for lack of price range...which makes all the
difference!



Sorry.



RB
35s5
NY

Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

John Cairns wrote:
http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm


Those are pretty boats. S&S designs are always classy
looking. The fine bow & stern make it small for a 37 footer.

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat.

OTOH they also have local ratings around 170. The bottom
line is that they're not speedy. But they are thoroughbreds
of an earlier generation of racer-cruisers.

... They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.


They have a devoted following. Lots of them (especially the
CB version) around the Chesapeake.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:45 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Carcharias" wrote in message
oups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns



Based on an earlier inquiry, that's where I was headed before I came
to my senses with regard to the whole concept of what I needed in a
boat.

It has everything I was looking for. reasonable draft (bd.up) in a
good sized boat, skeg protected rudder and good performance.

While I've never sailed one, I would expect a fairly nuetral helm with
good control to weather.

May still go there some day, but not for now.

Frank

I'm on the west coast. Draft is usually not an issue. Goals for me
include Tahiti and french polonesian--maybe New Zealand. I'd prefer a
deep draft with a lighter keel

Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:45 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Carcharias" wrote in message
oups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns



Based on an earlier inquiry, that's where I was headed before I came
to my senses with regard to the whole concept of what I needed in a
boat.

It has everything I was looking for. reasonable draft (bd.up) in a
good sized boat, skeg protected rudder and good performance.

While I've never sailed one, I would expect a fairly nuetral helm with
good control to weather.

May still go there some day, but not for now.

Frank

I'd don't know much about ratings. I want to be able to sail at around
7 knots or more is that possible in a 35 footer? I'm thinking more
and more I should change my goal to a multihull. Solo passages must be
brutal in a slow boat. All my ocean experience has been on sleds as
part of a large crew sailing to Hawaii. I can't imagine being out
there forever in a slow boat.

John Cairns wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns

Carcharias wrote:
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

For a nice all around offshore cruiser consider building a Bruce
Roberts 35A . Mild steel, long fin keel, skeg mounted rudder, aft
cockpit. The boat has a large amount of interior space. You can
customize the boat to meet your needs. The cockpit is long enough fo a
large person to take a comfortable nap. No wasted space aft.

This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability. The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear. This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container

Length: 35 ft. 6 in. LOA
LWL: 27 feet 6 inches
Beam: 11 ft. 0 inches
Draft: 5 ft. 6 in.
Displacement: 13,200 lbs.
Hull: Mild Steel
Spars: Aluminum
Engine: Inboard
Head: Standard
Galley. 3-burner, oven
Designer: Bruce Roberts

Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes.

Good Luck!

Joe

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes


And that makes Doug dead wrong, Joe. Good work!



RB
35s5
NY

Joe wrote:
This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability.

Not necessarily.

... The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear.

Again, not necessarily. Fiberglass is a very nice material
in that you can specify what modulus you want... it is now
used in tank armor, for example.

Sven Lundin wrote about building test panels of foam-core
fiberglass that would absorb shots from 40mm cannon. His
boats are rather unconventional, and far too small for most
people to be comfortable long-term cruising... but it would
be difficult to imagine a stronger & more seaworthy vessel.


.... This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container


More than a few production boats include a Kevlar laminate,
which would also be proof against such collisions. Or, if
you don't like any of them, you could add a layer of Kevlar
to a boat whose design you liked.




Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.


Pete Culler built what is probably the most accurate Spray
replica, and he said (while fond of the boat) that it was
slow as a barn. Nor is Spray a good design for offshore
sailing, it has rather low reserve stability. Remember that
Slocum was lost at sea!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Remember that
Slocum was lost at sea!



Don't worry, Joe is lost is the Rustoleum section at Walmart.



RB
35s5
NY