"DSK" wrote in message

I thought your motto was "Death to fin keelers"? But this is certainly one
of the handsomer & more capable boats suggested.

Well if you have no appreciation for the virtues of full keelers..... the
Niagara 35 is a good choice. I've sailed them... nice, responsive and well
laid out. It's no full keeler though.

CM

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.

So you want a light boat with a high SAD.

More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement.

Hmmm.. How big is your budget?

Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly.

Do you really want a racer-cruiser?


I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.




Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Forget speed. You really want an Island Packet.


Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.

Too fast for you?


The rig is weak,

Is it? Perhaps you could direct us to some reports of broken Beneteau
rigs .... or perhaps you cannot??


the factory sails are
horrible,


This ridiculous statement demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. Why
would you use the factory sails if you were interested in high speed
sailing.

Good troll, but no points for credibility!!


Regards


Donal
--

Donal wrote:




I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.






Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.


Too fast for you?


Then is the Benateau considered more in the "light but fast" category? I
sailed offshore on a 39-ft B a few months ago in 30 - 35 kt winds, with
breaking waves. My impression was that it was somewhat difficult to
keep the boat on course (yawed back and forth as it went over the
waves). - However, it did routinely cruise at 7 knots when the winds
were slower.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
. com...



Then is the Benateau considered more in the "light but fast" category? I
sailed offshore on a 39-ft B a few months ago in 30 - 35 kt winds, with
breaking waves. My impression was that it was somewhat difficult to
keep the boat on course (yawed back and forth as it went over the
waves). - However, it did routinely cruise at 7 knots when the winds
were slower.



There are two main types of Beneteau. The more common version is the
"Oceanis", which is a fairly light cruiser with reasonable performance. The
other is the "First", which is lighter and faster. The "First" boats have
flatter bottoms and very deep rudders. Some of the "First" models have
quite spartan interiors. The "Oceanis" models have smaller cockpits,
rounded bottoms, larger interior accomodation and shorter rudders.

My boat is a First 33.7. It often does 8Kts. It once did 15Kts down a big
wave under spinnaker. I don't find it difficult to keep the boat on course,
but this is a subjective view.


Regards


Donal
--

Hey Troll,

Single handing, Racing?; Sea Berths/ Fin keel and no narrow stern?
Getting old and single handing/ wanting big Cat?

You better start thinking smaller, lower freeboard ( So you can get
on&off) and dock when wind gets above 10 Knts.. 7 over 5 on a blue water
boat? It sounds like you need a Trawler?

Get Real!!


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns

Wow! Cool troll!!!!

Seemed real except for lack of price range...which makes all the
difference!



Sorry.



RB
35s5
NY

Wow! Cool troll!!!!

You got that right. That was pretty slick... heh heh

One of our more talented regulars must have pulled this
one off.

Bill