I'd love a pilothouse! Id prefer not have have to go below except to
use the head. I'm seriously interested in solo passagemaking and a
bunk in the pilothouse would allow me to pop my head up for a quick
scan, or set up some kid of recliner with a timeer to jolt me for a
periodic look-see.

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:57:39 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM


Good choice. A friend of mine just bought one recently. He is getting
on in years, and even considered a trawler. Instead he found a Niagara
35 pilothouse.


CWM


"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

Thanks man. :-)

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

CWM

Charlie, As I'm sure you know, Mooron is very insecure and thus is very
angry. He is probably pathological about it. I suspect that he may have
gender issues, but I'm not a psychologist. He certainly needs help.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:bKepg.115701$771.72058@edtnps89...

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

You do know of course that Jon is Gay and a member of Glory Sail. His
claim to fame is being able to handle both sheets with the tiller firmly
clamped between his butt cheeks. Then again he's from California.

CM-

I'd don't know much about ratings. I want to be able to sail at around
7 knots or more is that possible in a 35 footer? I'm thinking more
and more I should change my goal to a multihull. Solo passages must be
brutal in a slow boat. All my ocean experience has been on sleds as
part of a large crew sailing to Hawaii. I can't imagine being out
there forever in a slow boat.

John Cairns wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns

A bit bigger than spec'd but look into a Corbin 39 Pilot house...
An awesome cruiser...

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'd love a pilothouse! Id prefer not have have to go below except to
use the head. I'm seriously interested in solo passagemaking and a
bunk in the pilothouse would allow me to pop my head up for a quick
scan, or set up some kid of recliner with a timeer to jolt me for a
periodic look-see.

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:57:39 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a
Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside
the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships.
Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off
from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler.
Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM


Good choice. A friend of mine just bought one recently. He is getting
on in years, and even considered a trawler. Instead he found a Niagara
35 pilothouse.


CWM


"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer
a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in
those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either.
Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice
to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing,
better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in?
How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

I'm not looking for a trawler.

For price. I thought that would be obvoius. I picked that size
because of price.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Wow! Cool troll!!!!

Seemed real except for lack of price range...which makes all the
difference!



Sorry.



RB
35s5
NY

I'm on the west coast. Draft is usually not an issue. Goals for me
include Tahiti and french polonesian--maybe New Zealand. I'd prefer a
deep draft with a lighter keel

Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:45 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"Carcharias" wrote in message
oups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?


http://www.mindspring.com/~sailing_fool/

Slightly bigger than 35', but not by much.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/ssbk/tart37.htm

If you know anything about PHRF ratings, I've seen a number as low as 126
associated with this boat. They are mainly centerboard boats, though there
are a few deep fin keels and shoal scheel keels out there. Only downside is
that they are relatively pricey, considering their age.

John Cairns



Based on an earlier inquiry, that's where I was headed before I came
to my senses with regard to the whole concept of what I needed in a
boat.

It has everything I was looking for. reasonable draft (bd.up) in a
good sized boat, skeg protected rudder and good performance.

While I've never sailed one, I would expect a fairly nuetral helm with
good control to weather.

May still go there some day, but not for now.

Frank

I like metal boats. 35 feet seem to be the minumum for metal boats.
Probably too expensive for me though.

Joe wrote:
Carcharias wrote:
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

For a nice all around offshore cruiser consider building a Bruce
Roberts 35A . Mild steel, long fin keel, skeg mounted rudder, aft
cockpit. The boat has a large amount of interior space. You can
customize the boat to meet your needs. The cockpit is long enough fo a
large person to take a comfortable nap. No wasted space aft.

This style of hull has tremendous strength and the fin keel offers good
windward ability. The steel hull will absorb shock and bend with impact
where fiberglass would crush and tear. This makes real sailors feel
much better when sailing at night when it's possible to hit a partially
submerged object such as a floating log or shipping container

Length: 35 ft. 6 in. LOA
LWL: 27 feet 6 inches
Beam: 11 ft. 0 inches
Draft: 5 ft. 6 in.
Displacement: 13,200 lbs.
Hull: Mild Steel
Spars: Aluminum
Engine: Inboard
Head: Standard
Galley. 3-burner, oven
Designer: Bruce Roberts

Robert also has a nice full keel Spray design.

You are dead right about the Bend-a toes.

Good Luck!

Joe

so the roberts designs are hard chine?

can you really round things off with a hammer? doesen't that weaken
the joint?

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Or do you use published data and facts?



Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?

I've sailed aboard several Roberts designed boats, even been on a
traweler of his design.

That model, never...but Bruce designs nice steel kits.... and the guy
was asking for 35 ft cruisers.

If he were to use a ball hammer and dimple his hull like I did, he can
get the 35A up to 13 maybe 15 knots.

Joe





RB
35s5
NY

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.

So you want a light boat with a high SAD.

More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement.

Hmmm.. How big is your budget?

Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly.

Do you really want a racer-cruiser?


I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

I suspect that you don't understand what makes sailing boats go fast. Any 30
footer that can achieve an average speed of 7 Kts is going to be light, and
have big sails. It will require a fit and agile crew who are prepared to
work hard.




Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Forget speed. You really want an Island Packet.


Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result.

Too fast for you?


The rig is weak,

Is it? Perhaps you could direct us to some reports of broken Beneteau
rigs .... or perhaps you cannot??


the factory sails are
horrible,


This ridiculous statement demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. Why
would you use the factory sails if you were interested in high speed
sailing.

Good troll, but no points for credibility!!


Regards


Donal
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