"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

but this is a boat that sails really well.


Come on now... how would _you_ know?

You brag about motorsailing?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Joe, how often have you sailed the Bruce Roberts design and how far?

I have... British Columbia... 46 nautical miles..

Ever sailed a Gozzard 36?

CM-

Capt.Mooron wrote:

Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35.

That's a pretty good boat too.... Depending on what you're
comparing to, I'd think about using the word "fast" though...

... Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway

I actually don't like them there. Unless you sleep with your
head down in the box, you get wet any time anybody opens the
c'way.

.... The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.

And if you don't like the cook's results, it makes disposal
quick & easy too

.... The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.


I thought your motto was "Death to fin keelers"? But this is
certainly one of the handsomer & more capable boats suggested.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 30 Jun 2006 10:53:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:39:13 -0400, Charlie Morgan said:

So far, you are not impressing me very much.

Frankly, I don't think anybody here gives a damn about impressing you.


I didn't realize the group had an official spokesperson. I'll be sure
to clear all further posts directed at other people with you before I
post them. Thanks for butting in, nanny!

CWM

"DSK" wrote in message

I thought your motto was "Death to fin keelers"? But this is certainly one
of the handsomer & more capable boats suggested.

Well if you have no appreciation for the virtues of full keelers..... the
Niagara 35 is a good choice. I've sailed them... nice, responsive and well
laid out. It's no full keeler though.

CM

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Charlie, Dave isn't the official spokesman, but he's right. Nobody give a
damn about impressing you. Well, that's not completely true. :-)

I'm impressed, Jon!

You do know of course that Jon is Gay and a member of Glory Sail. His claim
to fame is being able to handle both sheets with the tiller firmly clamped
between his butt cheeks. Then again he's from California.

CM-

DSK wrote:
Nice troll, but also an interesting avenuse for discussion
(as always): "what is the BEST boat?"

Carcharias wrote:
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats.

What characteristics do you associate "narrow transoms" with?

Squirmy downwind. No interior space. Lack of form stability.

.... I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now.

Why not? Lots of multis coming on the market for less money
now. If that's what you want, it makes more sense to shop
for a bargain in that market than to get a monohull.

You may be right. I don't need space and I'm very interested in speed.
Perhaps I can find an older racing cat or tri. I've sailed the F-27
and loved it, but felt it was dangerous for offshore sailing. My only
other cat expe4rience is on Hobie's.


Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.


Easily do-able in a 35 footer. But I guess if you're ruling
out multis one the basis of price, you're not looking at a
Sydney 36 either? The new X-35OD?

I'll check these out when I have some time to research. What would be
your first few choices. Would I be better off going a bit smaller and
lighter and put my money into self steering and an autopilot. I have
zero experience with that stuff.

Some boats to look at:
Thomas 35
Frers 36 F3
Morgan 365 (Nelson/Marek)
J-35
Dehler 34 or DB-2
Omega 36
New York 36
Express 35
Abott 33 or 36
Soverel 36
Sweden 34
Scanmar 35
Baltic 35 (a bit pricey)
Olson 34
Ericson 34
CS 36
Sabre 34, 35, or 36

If shallow draft is among your considerations, I'd also
recommend a look at
Nightwind 35
Clearwater 35
Southerly 110

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break.

Hmm this is beginning to look more & more like a troll! But
while it's true that Beneteaus are mass-produced boats, the
market tends to force them into a QA level that is no worse
than other mass-produced boats of their size/price level.

I know they are not ocean rated. Everyone I've talked to seems to say
bad things about them. I did like the big one I sailed years ago. And
there seem to be plenty up for sale.

If you feel so strongly about a Beneteau then I won't
suggest looking at any Hunters, even though for the dollar
they are roomier & faster.

I've sailed a few Hunters. They don't seem ocean capable to me. and
they seem to fall apart like the benetoads.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.


Is your ex-wife named Isabelle or Ellen by any chance?

No. Janet. Why? Do you plan to copy my idea?

C-T

I don't mind running backs. The C&C boats are nice looking machines.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Some boats to look at:


Doug, excluding the Beneteau's you left out one of the most impressive
more modern boats in the C&C 34+ and XL versions. The racer versions
like the XL combine really nice cruising interiors with R type
performance. This is a boat I sailed. The running backstays can be a
hassle for lazy sailing, but this is a boat that sails really well.


RB
35s5
NY

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max

http://www.baileywick.org/projects.htm

Nice looking boat. The Canadians make some decent boats. Perhaps a
bit heavy, but certainly a solid dependable looking boat.

It would be great to find a boat that has been prepped like the one
above. I'd like to just sail away and skip doing upgrades.

Capt.Mooron wrote:
Step up 5 feet to hit your requirements... I'd strongly recommend a Niagara
35. Solid fast racer cruiser. They have a design with crew berths beside the
companionway, The galley and head are backed to each other amidships. Makes
for easy and simple plumbing.The forward cabin/Galley can be closed off from
the active section.Large sail locker up front. Rod Rigging. Fin Keeler. Your
7 knot average requirement is achievable with this boat.

Good Luck

CM

"Carcharias" wrote in message
ps.com...
I should have been more specific. I'm interested in a racer cruiser.
More interested in speed than comfort. I can rough it. Ocean capable
is a requirement. Fin keel, no narrow transom boats. I'd like to
start single handing, and I'm getting a bit older and not as physical
as I was formerly. I've been looking around for a while. I'd prefer a
big cat, but can't afford that now. It seems those need to be big for
what I want to do. So I've decided to scope things down to a mid-30
footer. I'd like to be able to get 7 knots regularly. Many of the 30
footers I've seen only seem to sail one speed 5 knots. That is too
slow.

Also, I'd like to have two sea-berths and a comfortable at anchor
double for cozy nights with my lady.

Benetoad? You have got to be kidding! I would not touch a piece of
crap like that! Every one I've sailed has been too light in the keel,
and too tender as a result. The rig is weak, the factory sails are
horrible, and every thing seems to break. I have no cofidence in those
boats except for one 50 fotter I sailded that built around 1988. That
is too much boat for one person and which I can't afford either. Also,
too much plastic and no way to get at the hull.

I can deal with a light boat and, love them, but I would not trust my
life in cheaply built Benetoad, however, it woud be my first choice to
putting my ex-wife in one--during hurricane season.

What do you sail Max?

Maxprop wrote:
"Carcharias" wrote in message
ups.com...
Any recommendations for a 35 foot cruiser?

According to someone here, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, better
than
a Beneteau 35s5.

Of course YMMV, as does everyone elses.

What do you intend to do with it? What conditions will you sail in? How
old are you and in what condition? Is speed important, or
accommodations?
A few details would be helpful.

Max

Max