Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way. I like the
method about making a tell tale.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

I wish these were in better shape. I believe they're sitting on the low
side in a couple of the pics. At one point I told them about that little
trick.

Actually, the main is up all the way on both boats. But, it's hard to
tell. They're really shot.


In these two, it definitely looks like the main isn't at full hoist (looks
can be deceiving though)
http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602080126.jpg

http://sailnow.photosite.com/~photos...1602114220.jpg

The second shot looks like they actually have the boat moving, not trimmed
too badly. One of the tricky (but fun) parts of sailing in really light
air is that apparent wind plays such a huge role... especially with a
relatively fast boat, like these should be.


There are windex at the top of both masts, but only one of the boats has
tells on the jib. There are about a 1/2 dozen Holder 14s on the lake
also. I occasionally teach that class as well. They're in better shape.


A masthead windex is useless in light air. Every tiny rock or pitch of the
boat gives it a hugely exaggerated "apparent wind" that has nothing to do
with the boat's motion or the real wind. Often they just spin, other times
when you heel the boat to make the sails set, they hang down.

A really good light air tell-tall is to take a short piece of thin metal
rod, like a coat-hanger, and cut about a 1' length. Bend it in an "L"
shape. Duct tape the long part of the "L" to the spreader so the short
part of the "L" aims downward. Then put about 6" of audio tape on the end
of the "L". Remember to watch the lee side one as well, because it will
show when there is good flow across the lee side of the rig which is
critical.

The other big tip I have for light air sailing is... get a Thistle.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Capt. JG wrote:

Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way.


OK at this point I'm probably being a jark, it *really*
doesn't look like it.

This one does
http://www.first285.com/holder20/a8.jpg

... I like the
method about making a tell tale.


Just remember to not break them off when flying a spinnaker
or a genoa with big overlap. I've done it, doesn't work as
well

DSK

No.. not being a jerk. I'm betting that they just don't belong on the boats.
The gooseneck isn't adjustable (maybe it was at one point, but it isn't now.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

Looks like it for sure, but the main really is up all the way.


OK at this point I'm probably being a jark, it *really* doesn't look like
it.

This one does
http://www.first285.com/holder20/a8.jpg

... I like the method about making a tell tale.


Just remember to not break them off when flying a spinnaker or a genoa
with big overlap. I've done it, doesn't work as well

DSK

While I was hunting for Holder 20 pics I saw this alarming
little scenario

http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...kingHolder.jpg

"Sinking: it's not just for J-24s any more!"

DSK

They're hard to sink, but it is possible. Apparently, someone had one of the
Holders who shouldn't have. Put a huge gash in the side from hitting the
corner of the dock. You can see the duct tape... yeah, I know, I know... in
this picture...

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/CSU...MG_0487_1.html

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"DSK" wrote in message
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While I was hunting for Holder 20 pics I saw this alarming little scenario

http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicL...kingHolder.jpg

"Sinking: it's not just for J-24s any more!"

DSK

Capt. JG wrote:
They're hard to sink, but it is possible. Apparently, someone had one of the
Holders who shouldn't have. Put a huge gash in the side from hitting the
corner of the dock. You can see the duct tape... yeah, I know, I know... in
this picture...

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/CSU...MG_0487_1.html


OUCH

Sounds like they're using these boats up... not uncommon
with club-owned boats.

DSK