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I sure Ringmaster has proudly taken his first step into excersizing
his
First Amendment Rights and, with our prodigious coaching, will flourish
and
grow! Happiness is a warm gun!

The AR is not my first gun. It's my post Katrina purchase.

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Aimpoint was the original red dot sight. I have one on my Hammerli
target
pistol. And yes, it is an optical sight.

Exactly. Maybe you should send Wiley a photo. He thinks red dot
sights are lasers. He's an expert.

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Aimpoint was the original red dot sight. I have one on my Hammerli
target
pistol. And yes, it is an optical sight.

Exactly. Maybe you should send Wiley a photo. He thinks red dot
sights are lasers. He's an expert.

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Hey, try telling Ringmaster. I've given up.

Your giving up because with every post you make yourself look dumber
and dumber when it comes to the AR or maybe gun related topics in
general. Lets see ............... there's no difference between a 223
and a 5.56, a 18" shotgun would make a better home defense weapon (how
many rounds will an 18" shotgun hold?) red dot sights are lasers and
you are familiar with all the Maryland gun laws. Where did you say you
were from?

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

.... which makes it longer than an 18" barrelled shotgun. Good
choice.

How many times do I need to type "it's illegal" to own a sawed off
shotgun. At least in my state.

I dunno. Is it a mantra you chant? Anyway, while no doubt you're
incorrect, keep chanting.

Try a Google search on 'shotgun minimum legal barrel length USA' and
you'll find that the min legal length for a shotgun is 18", as I
stated
above. Nowhere did I mention anything about a sawed off shotgun, and
either you know it and are trying to obfuscate, or you actually don't
know that an 18" barrelled gun is legal. So you've learnt something
new
- again.

FWIW, in fact it is NOT illegal to own a sawed off shotgun, *unless*
you reduce the bbl length to less than 18". So you're wrong when you
make general statements, too.


Yep, just what you need for home defence, optics.....

I'm not talking 9x scopes here. Red dot or holigraphic optics are
perfect for defense, home or otherwise, since you shoot with both
eyes
open. Have you seen those.

I've seen them, used them. A laser dot sight isn't generally referred
to as an optical sight. They have pluses & minuses but I don't think
one would be a bad thing to have on a gun used at 'point & shoot'
ranges, personally.

The military uses them every day.

Yeah and they *train* with them regularly too. How much range time are
you going to put in doing laser dot 'point & shoot'?

Your
trying to come off as an expert here but you continue to look
uneducated on the topic.

OK, fine. You've demonstrated the same level of knowledge of guns as
Bobsprit does about router bits. I'm happy to ignore you.

PDW

Thompson sold a 14" .410 barrel for the Contender pistol.

Yeah but it wasn't a smoothbore was it? Never paid a lot of attention
to those so I dunno, but I'd have thought it'd fall under the
restricted class if it wasn't rifled.

It was rifled in the broadest sense of the term, but the lands took
imagination to see, IIRC.

Max


You can see them he

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

referenced he

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...9fe3 556c33f6

and here it says the pistol barrel must be rifled for the .410:

http://www.packing.org/community/gen.../?thread=11557

Glory!

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In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

.... which makes it longer than an 18" barrelled shotgun. Good
choice.

How many times do I need to type "it's illegal" to own a sawed off
shotgun. At least in my state.

I dunno. Is it a mantra you chant? Anyway, while no doubt you're
incorrect, keep chanting.

Try a Google search on 'shotgun minimum legal barrel length USA' and
you'll find that the min legal length for a shotgun is 18", as I
stated
above. Nowhere did I mention anything about a sawed off shotgun, and
either you know it and are trying to obfuscate, or you actually don't
know that an 18" barrelled gun is legal. So you've learnt something
new
- again.

FWIW, in fact it is NOT illegal to own a sawed off shotgun, *unless*
you reduce the bbl length to less than 18". So you're wrong when you
make general statements, too.


Yep, just what you need for home defence, optics.....

I'm not talking 9x scopes here. Red dot or holigraphic optics are
perfect for defense, home or otherwise, since you shoot with both
eyes
open. Have you seen those.

I've seen them, used them. A laser dot sight isn't generally referred
to as an optical sight. They have pluses & minuses but I don't think
one would be a bad thing to have on a gun used at 'point & shoot'
ranges, personally.

The military uses them every day.

Yeah and they *train* with them regularly too. How much range time are
you going to put in doing laser dot 'point & shoot'?

Your
trying to come off as an expert here but you continue to look
uneducated on the topic.

OK, fine. You've demonstrated the same level of knowledge of guns as
Bobsprit does about router bits. I'm happy to ignore you.

PDW

Thompson sold a 14" .410 barrel for the Contender pistol.

Yeah but it wasn't a smoothbore was it? Never paid a lot of attention
to those so I dunno, but I'd have thought it'd fall under the
restricted class if it wasn't rifled.

It was rifled in the broadest sense of the term, but the lands took
imagination to see, IIRC.

Max


You can see them he

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

referenced he

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...9fe3 556c33f6

and here it says the pistol barrel must be rifled for the .410:

http://www.packing.org/community/gen.../?thread=11557

Glory!

Nice. I think my next gun will be a falling block s/shot. After all I
have a nice little Martini Cadet action that's wasted as a paperweight,
even if it is a paperweight on my yacht plans.

PDW

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

Nice. I think my next gun will be a falling block s/shot. After all I
have a nice little Martini Cadet action that's wasted as a paperweight,
even if it is a paperweight on my yacht plans.

.....45/70 with hex barrel?

CM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

You can see them he

http://www.tcarms.com/TC_HTML/TC_G2_Pistol_CalChart.htm

referenced he

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...9fe3 556c33f6

and here it says the pistol barrel must be rifled for the .410:

http://www.packing.org/community/gen.../?thread=11557

Interesting to note that the barrel in question is termed a ".45/.410." The
one I shot was chambered only for .410, was rifled, but the lands took
imagination to see. Perhaps the company has had to alter that barrel to
remain on this side of the law.

Max

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In article 8TW1g.3457$fL.2146@edtnps90, Capt.Mooron
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

Nice. I think my next gun will be a falling block s/shot. After all I
have a nice little Martini Cadet action that's wasted as a paperweight,
even if it is a paperweight on my yacht plans.

....45/70 with hex barrel?

Not this one, but the next one. The Cadet action is too small. I
already have a 45 hex barrel in the parts bin.

PDW

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
ups.com...
I sure Ringmaster has proudly taken his first step into excersizing
his
First Amendment Rights and, with our prodigious coaching, will flourish
and
grow! Happiness is a warm gun!

The AR is not my first gun. It's my post Katrina purchase.


See! He's already on the way!

Glory!

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
ups.com...

The AR is not my first gun. It's my post Katrina purchase.

I'd expect the best post-Katrina purchase to be a couple of really surly
Rottweilers.

Max

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I'd expect the best post-Katrina purchase to be a couple of really
surly
Rottweilers...

Don't need any dogs at the moment.

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"Maxprop" wrote
I'd expect the best post-Katrina purchase to be a couple of really surly
Rottweilers.

Not really. There have been a number of people mauled by dogs lately, even an
elderly woman and a kid killed in seperate incidents. In all cases the dog
owner was in deep dog crap over it - even when his dog bit a kid that wandered
into his own yard. The woman who owned the pit bulls that got loose and killed
the older woman went to prison for manslaughter!! OTOH, no gun ever shot anybody
on its own.

Also, given the liability problem, Rottys, Dobermen and other "police" or
"attack" breeds should be avoided else the other guy's lawyer will claim that
you're a vigilante and bought the dog hoping it'd bite somebody.

It's a bad scene out there. A kid I know works for a towing company. Over a
year ago a drunk showed up in the middle of the night demanding his impounded
car back. When the kid explained that he couldn't release it without police
permission the guy attacked him so the kid stabbed him with a screwdriver. Even
though the wound wasn't life threatening and was in self defence the cops put
the kid in jail for a couple days til a judge released him, then he had to sweat
til the DA decided not to prosecute, then sweat some more until the drunk lost
the lawsuit. Meanwhile, he couldn't leave the state.

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"Ringmaster" wrote
... you are familiar with all the Maryland gun laws. Where did you say you
were from?


I can't speak for anybody else but, having modest familiarity with Maryland gun
and self defence laws and jurisprudence I can say that I avoid Maryland whenever
I can and if I lived there I'd move. Maryland law does NOT permit you to defend
your home. If it is invaded, you must run away if possible. You may only fight
back if you are cornered like a rat and threatened with death or great bodily
harm. Robbery or a minor as kicking does not suffice. So, if there ever is
looting and violence like ocurred in New Orleans, you best flee. That AR-15 will
just land you in prison.

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Katy,

I've sailed with about a half dozen ASA'ers and their friends; each time
has been enjoyable.

I've found that in person they leave the rough side on the discussion
group. In person they are simply plain old sailors

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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Vito,

Sorry to hear of your health problems. I hope you can hang in there.
I've been able to do it for 17 years with Myastenia Gravis before
"Beaching Myself" I've been very lucky. I hope the same for you.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Katy,

I've sailed with about a half dozen ASA'ers and their friends; each time
has been enjoyable.

I've found that in person they leave the rough side on the discussion
group. In person they are simply plain old sailors

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

As have I....the Internet affords a certain amount of
anonymity...people will write things in ng's that they would never
express verbally in a group. Except for me. I'm the same here as I
am anywhere. In fact, I'm tamer here.

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Katy,

The East Coast is subject to the very same condition that hit the Gulf
Coast. I wish there was a scenario to protect Life and Property when
inferstructure fails but I don't know of one.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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Vito wrote:

"Ringmaster" wrote
... you are familiar with all the Maryland gun laws. Where did you say you
were from?


I can't speak for anybody else but, having modest familiarity with Maryland gun
and self defence laws and jurisprudence I can say that I avoid Maryland whenever
I can and if I lived there I'd move.


To Colorado, is it still legal to shoot your wife there? ;-)

Cheers
Marty

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Katy,

The East Coast is subject to the very same condition that hit the Gulf
Coast. I wish there was a scenario to protect Life and Property when
inferstructure fails but I don't know of one.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage


Thom, is there any way you can quote from the passages you reply to?
With all the traffic here, it is sometimes hard to figure out
where you're coming from unless I do a complete search of the thread
(which is a royal PITA)