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"Capt. Rob" wrote
Sorry, Vito..Thomas will be attending one of the best schools in the
world and be exposed to culture and art not available on your "little
fairy on the prarie" land.....

Aha! And when will you teach him to hunt and shoot?

Tsk tsk tsk .... no doubt grow up a homosexual - or worse. Poor kid.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
We don't want Thom to share our ideas. We want him to come up with
better ones. That's why we'll never be "old farts."

Bwahahahaha! And where will he be exposed to these "better ides"? In NY? Sure
..... from Rev Moon.

I used to think like you until I got to be an "old fart". Edgar is right -
you'll think your kid is FU'd and wonder why. A friend raised his girl to be a
housewife. She works for an international corp, travels all over the world and
makes $500K/yr at 40. Is he happy? No! She didn't give him any grandkids! I
wanted SWMBO's kid to be like that. She dropped out, got married, had a kid,
and sees a shrink twice a week.

It never occurred to me that I'd be on the old side of a generation gap - but I
am. I have nothing in common with y'all wimpy young city/suburban kids raised
on Ritalin to have big mouths and zero tolerance for violence. Jeeze, the kids
over on reeky motorcycles had cat because somebody dared to honk his horn at a
car and my habit of closing car door on drivers heads gives them the willys.

Like I said, I feel sorry for y'all. If WW II happened today, we'd loose.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
My good friend is a retired detective and in 22 years he never pulled
his gun. Instead in learned marshall arts and how to handle himself.

I love it. You are a ntural comedian! In 22 years behind a desk your friend
never "pulled a gun". Did he even own one? And "marshall" arts? an even
bigger joke. Martial arts are sports with rules - rules street fighters ignore.
We used to go to the Karate dojos and slap the instructors around when I was in
high school. Then I took a couple semesters of Judo in college and learned
why - jeeze, we might as well have picked on basketball players.

I don't need a weapon and if you ever learn to handle yourself, niether
would you.

We had a shop teacher in hi school who thot that. Fact is he could whip any
five of us kids. So we brought six and sent him to the ER in a coma just to
teach him a lesson you obviously never learned.

Oh, I guess being a kid excluded exposure to the arts!

It isn't necessary, or even desirable to be "exposed" by sitting in the middle
of some crowded theater smelling the farts and perfume. There are literally
1000s of artists who are as good as any you'll find on stage who never "got
noticed". Each of my many friends have paintings (some original, some copies)
in their homes and most create their own music. Their kids learn to appreciate
art by participating in it rather than being simple spectators. Would you
believe there is an art to stomping somebody's head without killing him?

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote
Best do some research.. there are several treatment plants ....

Yup, and there are treatment plants on every tributary of the Cheasapeake Bay.
Of course they dump 1000s of gallons of raw sewage every time it rains. That's
why the bay is a cesspool almost as bad as LIS. But don't get caught taking a
leak off your boat ...... People = pollution. The more people the more
pollution.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
Sorry to tell you, but quite a few cops don't ever draw their guns ....

That's a fact! All one needs to do is ticket mousey little guys and avoid
criminals.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
Anything more than a bow is a spoof of the word hunting.

This is true and even a bow is a spoof if used from a blind or tree stand. The
only way to hunt nowdays is to have 3+ people share one gun and several bottles
of whiskey while they walk the woods. That way any animal they kill deserved to
die, and there is a real risk to the hunters.

Hereabouts, we don't hunt - we harvest. If a deer wanders by my porch and my
freezer is low I kill it - but I don't call that hunting. And once a year the
neighbors have a drive to thin out the excess. That's not hunting either.

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Vito wrote:
Actually, it's a 30 - and no it's not fast. There is no such thing as
a fast
sailboat.

Possibly not. But some are certainly much faster than others.


... We mainly use it to anchor out overnight, thus to let the
waves rock
us to sleep. It suits that purpose.


Provides an excellent sunset viewing platform as well.

katy wrote:
Vito,
You ever go over to Cape Charles?

If he doesn't he should. Up to Tangier, too.

DSK

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In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:

choose to live in a fine antique farm house over 100 years old, with a
history
and character, centered on several private acres backed up on 200 more.



Sorry, Vito..Thomas will be attending one of the best schools in the
world and be exposed to culture and art not available on your "little
fairy on the prarie" land.
Thomas will be sailing on the LIS, which is renowned as one of the best
places to sail in the world.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ea...ef1_flash.html

You live next to, and sail in, a sewer.

PDW

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In article , Vito
wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote
Anything more than a bow is a spoof of the word hunting.

This is true and even a bow is a spoof if used from a blind or tree stand.
The
only way to hunt nowdays is to have 3+ people share one gun and several
bottles
of whiskey while they walk the woods. That way any animal they kill deserved
to
die, and there is a real risk to the hunters.

Hereabouts, we don't hunt - we harvest. If a deer wanders by my porch and my
freezer is low I kill it - but I don't call that hunting. And once a year the
neighbors have a drive to thin out the excess. That's not hunting either.

Agreed. If I want to shoot something, I use a spotlight and a scope
sighted rifle. Wandering about looking for victims during the daylight
is a waste of my time.

Same logic for fishing. Why waste time with a hook when you can use a
gillnet and have a few drinks while waiting for the fish to commit
suicide?

PDW

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"DSK" wrote
katy wrote:
Vito,
You ever go over to Cape Charles?

If he doesn't he should. Up to Tangier, too.

No, I had every intention but prolly will not soon due to bad health. Chemo &
radiation left me too weak to handle a boat if the going got at all rough so I
gotta stay within a short sail from the pier for now. Maybe this fall ....

Thanks

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Vito wrote:
"DSK" wrote
katy wrote:
Vito,
You ever go over to Cape Charles?
If he doesn't he should. Up to Tangier, too.

No, I had every intention but prolly will not soon due to bad health. Chemo &
radiation left me too weak to handle a boat if the going got at all rough so I
gotta stay within a short sail from the pier for now. Maybe this fall ....

Thanks


Sorry for your troubles...that's the pits...have you tried a
homeopathic diet along with all the other stuff? My cousin used it
when she was going through chemo and radiation and felt that it
helped a lot....at least you can get out there a little bit...better
than not going out at all...

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Vito,
You ever go over to Cape Charles?

If he doesn't he should. Up to Tangier, too.


Vito wrote:
No, I had every intention but prolly will not soon due to bad health. Chemo &
radiation left me too weak to handle a boat if the going got at all rough so I
gotta stay within a short sail from the pier for now. Maybe this fall ....


Good sailing is just getting started up your way. You should
recruit a crew. I'd suggest some people from this unruly mob
but I don't think following orders is on any ASA'ers resume....

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
Vito,
You ever go over to Cape Charles?

If he doesn't he should. Up to Tangier, too.


Vito wrote:
No, I had every intention but prolly will not soon due to bad health.
Chemo &
radiation left me too weak to handle a boat if the going got at all
rough so I
gotta stay within a short sail from the pier for now. Maybe this fall
....


Good sailing is just getting started up your way. You should recruit a
crew. I'd suggest some people from this unruly mob but I don't think
following orders is on any ASA'ers resume....

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would
kill who first....

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Anybody who does not own a weapon after seeing what happened in New
Orleans when cops are not available is a fool. I purchased an AR15 for
my "when the **** hits the fan" weapon. I also bought enough magazines
and ammo to hold off the criminal element for days until law
enforcement gets back on line. They will move on to easier pickins
after only a minute of trying to get into my house.

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katy wrote:
heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would kill
who first....

Well, Vito probably wouldn't be very good no matter how much
BBQ sauce you put on him....

DSK

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Ringmaster wrote:
Anybody who does not own a weapon after seeing what happened in New
Orleans when cops are not available is a fool. I purchased an AR15 for
my "when the **** hits the fan" weapon. I also bought enough magazines
and ammo to hold off the criminal element for days until law
enforcement gets back on line. They will move on to easier pickins
after only a minute of trying to get into my house.


You may only get into worse trouble. You might attract
heavyier caliber return fire, or you may become all that
much more attractive a target for theives who want your gun
& ammo.

Unless one has the capability... physical, intellectual,
emotional, whatever.... to deliberately kill another human
being without so much as an eyeblink of hesitation... one is
better off with a different means of deterrent than a gun.
That's the whole point of a great deal of military & police
training.

The next step is skill with the weapon. Special forces guys
average 200 rounds per day of live fire training! Join a gun
club and get into good practice. It's fun, too.

Regards
Doug King

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You may only get into worse trouble. You might attract
heavyier caliber return fire, or you may become all that
much more attractive a target for theives who want your gun
& ammo.

Not true. In New Orleans the only houses that were spared were the
ones with people and weapons inside. Home owners with weapons
protected themselves, their loveones and their STUFF! If you didn't
have a weapon in your home the thugs/criminals were just walking in and
telling anyone inside that they were taking what they wanted and that
there was nothing you could do about it and the police would not be
responding.

Unless one has the capability... physical, intellectual,
emotional, whatever.... to deliberately kill another human
being without so much as an eyeblink of hesitation... one is
better off with a different means of deterrent than a gun.

Under anarchy I wouldn't blink.

AR15s are also the prefered weapon when 200 zombies are coming down
your front street.

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one is better off with a different means of deterrent than a
gun.

Oh, I forgot to ask what better deterrent might be available under SHTF
conditions? SHTF conditions are no cops, no electricity, no
transportation, no nothing and roving bands of unafraid criminals are
coming. I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.

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Ringmaster wrote:
Anybody who does not own a weapon after seeing what happened in New
Orleans when cops are not available is a fool. I purchased an AR15 for
my "when the **** hits the fan" weapon. I also bought enough magazines
and ammo to hold off the criminal element for days until law
enforcement gets back on line. They will move on to easier pickins
after only a minute of trying to get into my house.

So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?

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DSK wrote:
katy wrote:
heh...Vito and me on the same boat...would be a matter of who would
kill who first....

Well, Vito probably wouldn't be very good no matter how much BBQ sauce
you put on him....

DSK

Too many chemicals....bet he'd make good bait, though.

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You may only get into worse trouble. You might attract
heavyier caliber return fire, or you may become all that
much more attractive a target for theives who want your gun
& ammo.

Ringmaster wrote:
Not true. In New Orleans the only houses that were spared were the
ones with people and weapons inside. Home owners with weapons
protected themselves, their loveones and their STUFF!

Not true. There weren't enough looters to loot EVERY SINGLE
house in New Orleans. So you've already got odds in your
favor (provided you don't attract attention)

1- it's not a good idea to stay at home thru a disaster like
that... a lot of people died in their houses.

2- is your STUFF worth your life, caused either by disaster
or by armed confrontation with crooks? My family is, and I
plan to keep them safe by taking them elsewhere. My stuff
can sit & wait.





AR15s are also the prefered weapon when 200 zombies are coming down
your front street.


Zombies yeah, but real live people?

The .223 is too puny a round. Your best bet is to put a
bayonet on the muzzle so you can stab the looters after you
empty a magazine into them. IMHO a shotgun would be much
preferable.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh25-e.htm

with a couple extra magazines handy

DSK

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Vito

Same logic for fishing. Why waste time with a hook when you can use a
gillnet and have a few drinks while waiting for the fish to commit
suicide?

PDW

Why wait at all Peter?
Chuck a grenade in the water and scoop them up immediately :-)

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Did you get a Colt or a Bushmaster?
I bought a shortie cabine from Bushmaster because of the chrome lined
barrel.
What length barrel? Do you have a flash supressor? what stock? what
top?

Joe

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
oups.com...
one is better off with a different means of deterrent than a
gun.

Oh, I forgot to ask what better deterrent might be available under SHTF
conditions? SHTF conditions are no cops, no electricity, no
transportation, no nothing and roving bands of unafraid criminals are
coming. I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.


Flamethrower.

What are you going to use to keep the cops at bay?

That .223 is good for pigs, coyotes and squirrels. Get a real gun that
shoots real bullets. H&K Model 91 is a good start:

http://www.hkpro.com/hk91.htm

Amen!

God, guts and guns made America!

Glory!

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Did you get a Colt or a Bushmaster?
I bought a shortie cabine from Bushmaster because of the chrome lined
barrel.
What length barrel? Do you have a flash supressor? what stock? what
top?

Joe

HK has a chrome bore too.

AR-15 = toy.

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"katy" wrote in


So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?

Even worse. Bobsprit: Escape from New York.

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So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?


Bob Crantz wrote:
Even worse. Bobsprit: Escape from New York.


That's one a-them zombie movies iddn't it?

DSK

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My first plan would also be to get out of town. But remember I said a
SHTF condition. Shotgun would be to unwieldy inside of a house. Cut
the barrel off and that's a problem with the law. AR15 packs plenty of
punch if you are using 65 or 75 gr ammo. Normal is 45 or 55 gr. Also
most AR15s shoot 5.56 which is harder hitting than 223. There's enough
dead Iraqs to prove the AR is a good enough weapon.

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So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?

Earthquake, riots, massive power outs, zombies.

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Did you get a Colt or a Bushmaster? I bought a shortie cabine from
Bushmaster because of the chrome lined
barrel. What length barrel? Do you have a flash supressor? what
stock? what top?

I bought a Bushmaster 16" carbine "Patrolman" model with the A3 top,
collapsible stock. Yes it has a flash supressor. I didn't like the
idea of a pinned and welded supressor on the 14" "shorty" model. I'm
looking at optics at the moment. I liked Bushmaster for the chrome
lined barrel, ability to shoot 5.56 and it's known quality
construction. I didn't like the fact Colt uses non standard pins which
would make swapping stuff impossible. I got a hellava deal from a
kitchen table FFL dealer in Virginia. $860. MSRP was $1230. I'll
drive an hour to save almost four hundred bucks. On top of that I
ordered it from a distributor (who shipped to the retail dealer) that
gives a lifetime warranty. If it ever breaks they send you a new one
after a phone call. You get the new one and then ship them the broken
one. http://www.galleryofguns.com/

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In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

one is better off with a different means of deterrent than a
gun.

Oh, I forgot to ask what better deterrent might be available under SHTF
conditions? SHTF conditions are no cops, no electricity, no
transportation, no nothing and roving bands of unafraid criminals are
coming. I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.

My picks if I didn't care much about collateral damage:

1. flamethrower. Bit difficult to get hold of, tho.

2. pump action shotgun loaded with buckshot.

3. Any decent semiauto .308 loaded with 150 gr JHP

4. Any decent semiauto .223 loaded with 50gr JHP.

The 308 loaded with FMJ is going to go thru the bad guy, his buddy
behind him, the house behind *him* and maybe a few other items in the
way. With JHP or a nice Nosler solid base boat tail soft nose, the bad
guy is basically going to lose a limb with a hit there, or his chest is
gonna dissolve.

PDW

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In article , DSK
wrote:

You may only get into worse trouble. You might attract
heavyier caliber return fire, or you may become all that
much more attractive a target for theives who want your gun
& ammo.

Ringmaster wrote:
Not true. In New Orleans the only houses that were spared were the
ones with people and weapons inside. Home owners with weapons
protected themselves, their loveones and their STUFF!

Not true. There weren't enough looters to loot EVERY SINGLE
house in New Orleans. So you've already got odds in your
favor (provided you don't attract attention)

1- it's not a good idea to stay at home thru a disaster like
that... a lot of people died in their houses.

2- is your STUFF worth your life, caused either by disaster
or by armed confrontation with crooks? My family is, and I
plan to keep them safe by taking them elsewhere. My stuff
can sit & wait.





AR15s are also the prefered weapon when 200 zombies are coming down
your front street.


Zombies yeah, but real live people?

The .223 is too puny a round. Your best bet is to put a
bayonet on the muzzle so you can stab the looters after you
empty a magazine into them.

Loaded with FMJ, I agree with you. Loaded with a nice hunting round -
say a Sierra JHP or a soft nose 50gr pill, or a Nosler, no way.
Whatever you hit is gonna be in a world of hurt and will lose all
interest in your property, likely permanently.

Remember, this isn't a sporting contest at this point. The rules of war
WRT expanding projectiles don't apply.

IMHO a shotgun would be much
preferable.

Depends. I'd rather have both a long gun and a shotgun.

PDW

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In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

My first plan would also be to get out of town. But remember I said a
SHTF condition. Shotgun would be to unwieldy inside of a house. Cut
the barrel off and that's a problem with the law. AR15 packs plenty of
punch if you are using 65 or 75 gr ammo. Normal is 45 or 55 gr. Also
most AR15s shoot 5.56 which is harder hitting than 223. There's enough
dead Iraqs to prove the AR is a good enough weapon.

Do everyone a favour. DO NOT own a gun until you learn something (more)
about them.

1. Using a rifle inside a house is plain stupid. A short barrelled
shotgun is far more useful.

2. Using heavy FMJ bullets is also stupid. Use hollowpoints or soft
nose rounds. The object is to transfer the kinetic energy into the
target, not the wall, next house, etc etc.

3. There is NO DIFFERENCE between 5.56 NATO and .223 except the labels
on the boxes. Go look up the SAAMI ammo spec if you don't believe me.

I could dig out my reloading manuals and quote loads, bullet weights
etc but frankly, I don't give a damn. I do thank my situation tho,
which is not having you for a next door neighbour.

PDW

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In article , Edgar
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Vito

Same logic for fishing. Why waste time with a hook when you can use a
gillnet and have a few drinks while waiting for the fish to commit
suicide?

PDW

Why wait at all Peter?
Chuck a grenade in the water and scoop them up immediately :-)

BTDT with gelignite. Wrecks the environment and kills a lot of by-catch
you aren't interested in. Works wonders on nosy crocs, tho.

PDW

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Why wait at all Peter?
Chuck a grenade in the water and scoop them up immediately :-)


Peter Wiley wrote:
BTDT with gelignite. Wrecks the environment and kills a lot of by-catch
you aren't interested in. Works wonders on nosy crocs, tho.


I bet so, especially if you can get them to swallow it first.

At one point in my life I spent a great deal of time
splashing around in the swamps of northern Florida, and
toted a .357 revolver (a Ruger Security Six to be specific).
I kept it loaded with 3 rounds of snake shot and 3 rounds of
varying hard shot.

Alligators were very common and as long as I wasn't in the
water with them, never minded them much. But one afternoon I
felt it desirable to shoot a larger specimen, about 7' or
so. He was close enough to poke with the canoe paddle, if
I'd been minded to. Rotated the chamber to a solid shot
(Winchester Silvertip IIRC), stood up, and plugged Mr Gator
right between the eyes.

He kicked around a bit in agitation, then swam away.

Very tough critters. I hear the crocs are even tougher.

DSK

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"Ringmaster" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
one is better off with a different means of deterrent
than a
gun.

Oh, I forgot to ask what better deterrent might be
available under SHTF
conditions? SHTF conditions are no cops, no electricity,
no
transportation, no nothing and roving bands of unafraid
criminals are
coming. I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.


grenades?

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Oh, I forgot to ask what better deterrent might be available under SHTF
conditions? SHTF conditions are no cops, no electricity, no
transportation, no nothing and roving bands of unafraid criminals are
coming. I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.



Peter Wiley wrote:
My picks if I didn't care much about collateral damage:

1. flamethrower. Bit difficult to get hold of, tho.

2. pump action shotgun loaded with buckshot.


What about rocksalt?
The nice thing about a pump action is that you can stuff it
with a variety of loads.


3. Any decent semiauto .308 loaded with 150 gr JHP

4. Any decent semiauto .223 loaded with 50gr JHP.

The 308 loaded with FMJ is going to go thru the bad guy, his buddy
behind him, the house behind *him* and maybe a few other items in the
way. With JHP or a nice Nosler solid base boat tail soft nose, the bad
guy is basically going to lose a limb with a hit there, or his chest is
gonna dissolve.


Yep. Especially at the ranges home defense is likely to occur.

Long time ago, the story was that the U.S. military picked
..223 in preference to .308 so as to wound enemy soldiers
rather than kill. Not out of humanity but because that way 2
of the wounded guy's buddies carry him to the rear, so 3 bad
guys leave the fight. Another reason was so that wimpy U.S.
men could pack more bullets into the fight.

Neither reason applies to home defense, although the flatter
trajectory might help produce hits.

I like the idea of a sturdy rifle with a bayonet. Only a
real psycho would rush a man with a bayonet. It's a terror
weapon, especially after you see a live person gigged like
frog before your eyes. It would help deter bad guys from
trying to grab the gun away from you, too.

In this day & time, I'd give consideration to non-lethal
deterrents too. We discussed stun grenades a while ago. They
are more effective than most people would believe, don't
know if civilians can get them.

Regards
Doug King

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"Ringmaster" wrote
... I'm not a gun nut so I'll truly listen.



Scotty wrote:
grenades?


How about a good dog?

Frankly, I'm worried about liability. People have been sued
for shooting robbers. I'm not kidding.

Being sane is a handicap in a crazy country.

DSK

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...

"katy" wrote in


So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for?
The mammoth
tsunami?

Even worse. Bobsprit: Escape from New York.


He won't fit through the tunnel!

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Ringmaster wrote:
So...just what East Coast disaster are you waiting for? The mammoth
tsunami?

Earthquake, riots, massive power outs, zombies.

Got news for you...the zombies are already here..I saw a group of
them at Food Lion this afternoon....