"Capt.Mooron" wrote ...
...and Max knows this since he's been right out there on
the ice...taking
pictures! Yup he saw the videos as well. You know.. the
videos taken in 1973
when they banned white coat killing and since then have
only taken
adolescents by clubbing them the required 3 times with a
weighted 35 lb club
that has been proven to crush their skull. Never mind the
fact that if such
a club was used on Max... he wouldn't be conscious nor
alive long enough to
endure the required 20 min wait prior to skinning mandated
since 1973.


Couldn't they use machetes and cut their heads off, or would
that damage the skin?

SV

Maxprop wrote:

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

That's an excellent question, to which the seal hunters have not offered
an answer. It seems that as long as the pup is stunned from a blow to
the head, the skinning begins. When the pup recovers from being clubbed,
it suffers horribly while bleeding out. Some die from the clubbing, but
many don't.

...and Max knows this since he's been right out there on the ice...taking
pictures! Yup he saw the videos as well. You know.. the videos taken in
1973 when they banned white coat killing and since then have only taken
adolescents by clubbing them the required 3 times with a weighted 35 lb
club that has been proven to crush their skull. Never mind the fact that
if such a club was used on Max... he wouldn't be conscious nor alive long
enough to endure the required 20 min wait prior to skinning mandated since
1973.

You're really pretty good at making this stuff up, aren't ya, Mooron. Like
the hunters would obey such rules, even if they actually existed.

Excellent refutation Max, when you can't belie an argument, call the
expounder a liar. Could you provide some sort of documentation from a
Canadian Government site that indicates that these rules do not exist?

I believe you have some sort of medical training, how long do you
suppose the average mammal would survive in sub-zero temperatures with
no epidermis?



Cheers
Marty

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote ...
...and Max knows this since he's been right out there on
the ice...taking
pictures! Yup he saw the videos as well. You know.. the
videos taken in 1973
when they banned white coat killing and since then have
only taken
adolescents by clubbing them the required 3 times with a
weighted 35 lb club
that has been proven to crush their skull. Never mind the
fact that if such
a club was used on Max... he wouldn't be conscious nor
alive long enough to
endure the required 20 min wait prior to skinning mandated
since 1973.


Couldn't they use machetes and cut their heads off, or would
that damage the skin?

Why not use a humane killer, as they do in the slaughter houses? Or a .38
Special wheelgun with a point-blank shot to the brain? The answer:
they're too cheap and lazy to bother with being humane.

Max

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

That's an excellent question, to which the seal hunters have not
offered
an answer. It seems that as long as the pup is stunned from a blow to
the head, the skinning begins. When the pup recovers from being
clubbed,
it suffers horribly while bleeding out. Some die from the clubbing,
but
many don't.

...and Max knows this since he's been right out there on the
ice...taking
pictures! Yup he saw the videos as well. You know.. the videos taken in
1973 when they banned white coat killing and since then have only taken
adolescents by clubbing them the required 3 times with a weighted 35 lb
club that has been proven to crush their skull. Never mind the fact
that
if such a club was used on Max... he wouldn't be conscious nor alive
long
enough to endure the required 20 min wait prior to skinning mandated
since
1973.

You're really pretty good at making this stuff up, aren't ya, Mooron.
Like
the hunters would obey such rules, even if they actually existed.

Excellent refutation Max, when you can't belie an argument, call the
expounder a liar. Could you provide some sort of documentation from a
Canadian Government site that indicates that these rules do not exist?

I made the comment after doing a fairly lengthy Google search to see if
there was any validity to his claim. I found nothing to confirm them. But
frankly the existence of such laws is without meaning unless they are
enforced. According to several sources, the harp seal hunts continue as
they have for decades without any substantive changes.

I believe you have some sort of medical training, how long do you
suppose the average mammal would survive in sub-zero temperatures with
no epidermis?

Reports state the pups bay for up to an hour, with an average of about half
that. But that's hardly the point. Would you consider it humane to
castrate a man, cut off his hands and feet, and disembowel him with a
scalpel, provided this was all done in sub-zero temperatures and he'd be
assured of dying before too long? Or did it possibly occur to you that the
pups experience excruciating pain during the skinning process prior to
death? Your question is irrelevant.

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message

Couldn't they use machetes and cut their heads off, or would
that damage the skin?

Not only would it ruin the pelt.... but think of the video footage Max's
friends could shoot of headless, skinned seal pups gurgling blood for hours
as their mothers looked on in anguish!

CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Why not use a humane killer, as they do in the slaughter houses? Or a .38
Special wheelgun with a point-blank shot to the brain? The answer:
they're too cheap and lazy to bother with being humane.


So now you want to give the sealers handguns...... the resulting chaos
would deliver videos of clubbed green peace & PETA activists clubbed and
naked on the ice bawling for hours while their sponsors looked on in
anguish!

BTW - with the handguns... would you suggest a heart shot and possible
damage to the pelt so the "Trophy Mount" isn't ruined... ???

CM

You really should try to view more recent footage... instead of 20 year old
videos. Oh that's right... those guys that aren't enforcing the guidelines
on the sealers .....but are enforcing the guidelines on the activists are
to blame.

You do realize no valuable footage has been taken for many years since it is
illegal to approach closer than 500 meters of a sealer while he is working
over a defenceless whitecoat and terrorizing it's family. We refer to that
action as "Layin' a beatin' down".... DFO & CCG smackin' those nosey
beatniks with hefty fines.
Helicopter pilots can't even fly over a sealer at work without getting
fined.... yup we protect our endangered species.... Newfie Sealers!!

CM




"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:_M0Wf.15161$K11.11263@clgrps12...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

That's an excellent question, to which the seal hunters have not
offered
an answer. It seems that as long as the pup is stunned from a blow
to
the head, the skinning begins. When the pup recovers from being
clubbed,
it suffers horribly while bleeding out. Some die from the clubbing,
but
many don't.

...and Max knows this since he's been right out there on the
ice...taking
pictures! Yup he saw the videos as well. You know.. the videos taken
in
1973 when they banned white coat killing and since then have only
taken
adolescents by clubbing them the required 3 times with a weighted 35
lb
club that has been proven to crush their skull. Never mind the fact
that
if such a club was used on Max... he wouldn't be conscious nor alive
long
enough to endure the required 20 min wait prior to skinning mandated
since
1973.

You're really pretty good at making this stuff up, aren't ya, Mooron.
Like
the hunters would obey such rules, even if they actually existed.

Excellent refutation Max, when you can't belie an argument, call the
expounder a liar. Could you provide some sort of documentation from a
Canadian Government site that indicates that these rules do not exist?

I made the comment after doing a fairly lengthy Google search to see if
there was any validity to his claim. I found nothing to confirm them.
But frankly the existence of such laws is without meaning unless they are
enforced. According to several sources, the harp seal hunts continue as
they have for decades without any substantive changes.

I believe you have some sort of medical training, how long do you
suppose the average mammal would survive in sub-zero temperatures with
no epidermis?

Reports state the pups bay for up to an hour, with an average of about
half that. But that's hardly the point. Would you consider it humane to
castrate a man, cut off his hands and feet, and disembowel him with a
scalpel, provided this was all done in sub-zero temperatures and he'd be
assured of dying before too long? Or did it possibly occur to you that
the pups experience excruciating pain during the skinning process prior to
death? Your question is irrelevant.

Max

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:1LmWf.15838$K11.8652@clgrps12...
You really should try to view more recent footage... instead of 20 year
old videos. Oh that's right... those guys that aren't enforcing the
guidelines on the sealers .....but are enforcing the guidelines on the
activists are to blame.

You do realize no valuable footage has been taken for many years since it
is illegal to approach closer than 500 meters of a sealer while he is
working over a defenceless whitecoat and terrorizing it's family. We refer
to that action as "Layin' a beatin' down".... DFO & CCG smackin' those
nosey beatniks with hefty fines.
Helicopter pilots can't even fly over a sealer at work without getting
fined.... yup we protect our endangered species.... Newfie Sealers!!

How nice of your government.

Actually there have been no less than 6 recent films made, mostly from a
distance or from helicopters flying parallel to but not over the hunt zone.
Greenpeace used to spray the pups with permanent green dye, fire cannons to
scare the seals away, and other such measures until the Canadian gummint
decided to play nasty.

Unlike Greenpeace, I've never had any problem with the seal hunt--only its
methods. Humans have a responsibility to kill animals humanely. There is
nothing humane about the seal hunts. Of course you realize that had your
government not limited the number of pups taken each year, the harp seal
would likely be extinct by now. Nothing quite like an industry that runs
itself out of business through its own sheer stupidity.

Max

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message

Couldn't they use machetes and cut their heads off, or would
that damage the skin?

Not only would it ruin the pelt.... but think of the video footage Max's
friends could shoot of headless, skinned seal pups gurgling blood for
hours as their mothers looked on in anguish!

Not only that, the animals wouldn't suffer enough to satisfy the Canadian
government or the sealers.

Max

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Why not use a humane killer, as they do in the slaughter houses? Or a
.38 Special wheelgun with a point-blank shot to the brain? The answer:
they're too cheap and lazy to bother with being humane.


So now you want to give the sealers handguns...... the resulting chaos
would deliver videos of clubbed green peace & PETA activists clubbed and
naked on the ice bawling for hours while their sponsors looked on in
anguish!

BTW - with the handguns... would you suggest a heart shot and possible
damage to the pelt so the "Trophy Mount" isn't ruined... ???

I'd suggest a testicle shot at yourself. Of course that would imply that
you still have them, which seems highly suspect. :-)

Max