"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Lots of batting practice:

http://tinyurl.com/o9owv

The brutal murder of harp seal pups still evokes a visceral reaction
after
all these years. Think how much better the US baseball team would be if
we
could bash the skulls of those Canadian hunters. I'm betting Dusty Baker
could probably raise the Cubs' team average by .200.

Max

Brutal murder? My ass! It's no worse than what we do to millions of
pigs and cows every year.

Hardly. Most domesticated farm animals slaughtered for food and hides are
sacrificed with a device termed a "humane killer," which is little more than
a gun that blows the brains to mush instantly, obviating pain on the part of
the animal. The animal is generally dead before it hits the ground. The
harp seal thugs club the poor things until they are immobile, but often not
dead. The pups lie there, some for hours, dying in agony, having been
live-scalped. And they leave the fur-stripped carcasses to rot on the snow.

You do realize that nobody has taken a white coat in over twenty years?

Your point? They are still clubbing the pups to death in an inhumane way.
The problem is only partly the Canadian seal "hunters." The European market
for such furs is the other part.

Max

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Lots of batting practice:

http://tinyurl.com/o9owv

The brutal murder of harp seal pups still evokes a visceral reaction
after
all these years. Think how much better the US baseball team would be if
we
could bash the skulls of those Canadian hunters. I'm betting Dusty Baker
could probably raise the Cubs' team average by .200.

Max

Brutal murder? My ass! It's no worse than what we do to millions of
pigs and cows every year.

Hardly. Most domesticated farm animals slaughtered for food and hides are
sacrificed with a device termed a "humane killer," which is little more than
a gun that blows the brains to mush instantly, obviating pain on the part of
the animal. The animal is generally dead before it hits the ground.

Pretty true, Max, except - have you ever been in an abbatoir? Seen the
slaughter line? Seen how the beasts are handled *before* they even get
there?

I have. I wrote software for a research project dealing with feedlots
and spent a lot of time close up & personal with all of this stuff.
That was 10 years ago and I haven't forgotten it. You haven't a clue of
just how much suffering and fear those beasts go through prior to their
quick and painless death.

You're making a really, really bad comparison between
institutionalised, factory slaughter and clubbing cute little seals to
death.

Both are abhorrent.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...

Brutal murder? My ass! It's no worse than what we do to millions of
pigs and cows every year.

Hardly. Most domesticated farm animals slaughtered for food and hides
are
sacrificed with a device termed a "humane killer," which is little more
than
a gun that blows the brains to mush instantly, obviating pain on the part
of
the animal. The animal is generally dead before it hits the ground.

Pretty true, Max, except - have you ever been in an abbatoir? Seen the
slaughter line? Seen how the beasts are handled *before* they even get
there?

I have. I wrote software for a research project dealing with feedlots
and spent a lot of time close up & personal with all of this stuff.
That was 10 years ago and I haven't forgotten it. You haven't a clue of
just how much suffering and fear those beasts go through prior to their
quick and painless death.

Actually I have. I've watched the process at three separate slaughter
houses, and yes it ain't pretty. But it's hardly clubbing the animals,
skinning them while still alive, and allowing them to die in agony. What is
even more disgusting is that the infant harp seals have no reason to
mistrust the hunters, so they eagerly approach them. After the pups are
clubbed and skinned, they bay pitifully for up to an hour as they slowly
bleed out. The mothers typically hover over their dying pups, trying in
vain to comfort them. It's cruel and inhumane.

You're making a really, really bad comparison between
institutionalised, factory slaughter and clubbing cute little seals to
death.

S'cuse me? I didn't make that comparison--Martin B. did.

Both are abhorrent.

Perhaps, but the differences are profound. Perhaps you should view a harp
seal harvest before making such ridiculous claims.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Actually I have. I've watched the process at three separate slaughter
houses, and yes it ain't pretty. But it's hardly clubbing the animals,
skinning them while still alive, and allowing them to die in agony. What
is even more disgusting is that the infant harp seals have no reason to
mistrust the hunters, so they eagerly approach them. After the pups are
clubbed and skinned, they bay pitifully for up to an hour as they slowly
bleed out. The mothers typically hover over their dying pups, trying in
vain to comfort them. It's cruel and inhumane.

Although I am against any commercial harvesting endeavours... including
commercial fishing... your arguement seems based on second hand information
selectively quoted from animal rights groups. The clubbing of "white coats"
ended in 1987. If fish were cute and cuddly... would you protest the
indiscriminate slaughter of entire schools numbering in the tens of
thousands... subjecting them to massive decompression and slow axphyxiation
or live skinning and gutting?

You have obviously never been to a slaughter house since to the best of my
knowledge they do not provide "tours" nor allow the public access to the
area. Next thing you'll be telling me they gave you a tour of a Chicken Farm
producing eggs..... see if you can even get access to the building. My
roomate was working at a slaughterhouse in Edmonton as supervisor. I
actually saw what the operations were. In my opinion your comments are at
best naieve and obtained second hand.

Max... you have never viewed a harp seal harvest.... nor have you been in a
slaughter house... maybe you thought the packing plant was where the did the
killing?

There is no major difference between a commercial slaughter house and a seal
harvest or the indiscriminate netting by commercial fishing Max.... large
scale commercial harvest of any animal is prone to adhere to the bottom
line... expediency, efficency, profit!

So lay off the skinned pups baying woefully on an ice flow in minus 35c for
hours as their mothers attempted to comfort them ****! Try logic for a spell
instaed of your emotionally based second hand propoganda that you have never
actually witnessed. Think Flash Freeze.... Seriously... engage your brain
before your mouth.

Now I'll repeat this since you "Save the Seals" people are subject to
selective hearing problems.... If you want to stop sounding like an
Hysterical 18 year old PETA activist... try some common sense in your
arguments next time.

Ban the Seal Harvest.... Ban Large Scale Commercial Farming.... Ban All
Whaling of any species.... and All Commercial Fishing in North American
Waters... but most important... Ban Whiney Ill-Informed Suburban Dwelling
Green Activists who depend on all of the above. That's what I'm in favour
of.

Let the small family owned inshore fishermen ply their trade in peace but
take out the mega corps raping the ocean. Let the small scale farmer provide
for the packing plants.

Seals... "cute"... Bwahahahahahahaa... you've never been near a seal Max.
[Okay maybe at the zoo]. I've killed several and eaten the flesh raw.

BTW- This year the ice conditions will contribute to the drowning deaths of
more white coats than the last 5 year quota combined.

CM


You're making a really, really bad comparison between
institutionalised, factory slaughter and clubbing cute little seals to
death.

S'cuse me? I didn't make that comparison--Martin B. did.

Both are abhorrent.

Perhaps, but the differences are profound. Perhaps you should view a harp
seal harvest before making such ridiculous claims.

Max

BTW- This year the ice conditions will contribute to the drowning
deaths of more white coats than the last 5 year quota combined.

CM

Can you collect the dead ones that drowned and sell the pelts? Or do
the killer whales eat em raw like you do?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
BTW- This year the ice conditions will contribute to the drowning
deaths of more white coats than the last 5 year quota combined.

CM

Can you collect the dead ones that drowned and sell the pelts? Or do
the killer whales eat em raw like you do?

The killer whales are probably more civilized and cook them first.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
BTW- This year the ice conditions will contribute to the drowning
deaths of more white coats than the last 5 year quota combined.

CM

Can you collect the dead ones that drowned and sell the pelts? Or do
the killer whales eat em raw like you do?

The killer whales are probably more civilized and cook them first.

Max


There's a National Geographic show on orca and seals....orca's play
with their food....just like cats do....was chilling to watch....

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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.. but most important... Ban Whiney Ill-Informed Suburban Dwelling
Green Activists who depend on all of the above. That's what I'm in favour
of.

Brilliant!

Seals... "cute"... Bwahahahahahahaa... you've never been near a seal Max.
[Okay maybe at the zoo]. I've killed several and eaten the flesh raw.


Manly! Did you eat the liver?


BTW- This year the ice conditions will contribute to the drowning deaths
of more white coats than the last 5 year quota combined.


Don't let facts get in the way of emotion!


CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Manly! Did you eat the liver?

Matter of fact.. No.... but I ate raw caribou kidney! I also drank the blood
from the heart of a freshly killed Caribou as a ruse to get my Inhuit
friends to try... once they did..... I confessed that Kablunaks didn't
really do that and I was just getting them back for the raw kidney! :-)

CM



What you don't want to eat is Polar Bear Liver... apparently the Vitamin E
content can be toxic to humans.

Manly! Did you eat the liver?


Capt.Mooron wrote:
Matter of fact.. No.... but I ate raw caribou kidney!

Gee that sounds lovely.
And you wonder why people turn down your dinner invitations!

... I also drank the blood
from the heart of a freshly killed Caribou as a ruse to get my Inhuit
friends to try... once they did..... I confessed that Kablunaks didn't
really do that and I was just getting them back for the raw kidney! :-)


Now *that* was funny.

Did you eat the eyeballs?
Excellent source of food revenge, I talked a buddy of mine
into eating raccoon eyeballs once. Then I made fun of him
for years, in fact in our circle his nickname is still 'Bandit.'

There are a lot of rednecks around who brag about having
sampled the meat of various weird & unlikely critters. It's
a strange thing to brag about.



What you don't want to eat is Polar Bear Liver... apparently the Vitamin E
content can be toxic to humans.


Believe me, if I meet a polar bear, the last thing I am
likely to do is dig out his liver. I just hope the polar
bear realizes exactly how toxic *I* am.

DSK