For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3 cities
a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I no longer
fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the degrading and
officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers. With my
temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one of those
officious *******s.




"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:VIuLf.2314$M52.1274@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place, but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal with
them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I don't..... and
you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted, and claim I'm anti
American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those of us here from
the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber recreational pleasure
of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on it--hell, they'd
find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no opposition. So
in my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and Ozzy to enjoy
your time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an inconvenience...
we just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security documentation and
references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US Customs. If I
view their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to provide....
how can you state that as anti American? Does my personal decision offend
your national pride? What makes you think I am short changing myself
because I refuse to comply with a ridiculous request? I wouldn't travel to
any country requiring that level of infringement on my privacy and
freedoms.

CM

This is not merely restricted to your country Jl.... I have also toned down
my air travel in Canada. It's just plain ridiculous at times..... they
consider a nail clipper a lethal weapon!! I had to bite my tongue to refrain
from pointing out that I could beat 3/4 of the passengers on the flight into
a coma with my bare hands before I would consider deploying my "lethal nail
clipper"! I bet 4 men with Navy Seals training could take over a plane in
very little time with no weapons at all.

I can understand and respect proactive security measures..... but what they
are implementing is beyond bordering on ridiculous and I believe it is
nothing more than a facade.

The requirements for travel to the USA reeks of information gathering and
infringement of privacy... not to mention a gross trampling of individual
freedoms.

The very name "Homeland Security" resonates pre cold war Russia / Nazi
Germany.

CM

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. com...
For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3
cities a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I no
longer fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the
degrading and officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers.
With my temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one
of those officious *******s.




"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:VIuLf.2314$M52.1274@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place, but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal with
them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I don't..... and
you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted, and claim I'm
anti American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those of us here
from the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber recreational
pleasure of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on
it--hell, they'd find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no
opposition. So in my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and
Ozzy to enjoy your time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an inconvenience...
we just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security documentation
and references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US Customs. If
I view their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to
provide.... how can you state that as anti American? Does my personal
decision offend your national pride? What makes you think I am short
changing myself because I refuse to comply with a ridiculous request? I
wouldn't travel to any country requiring that level of infringement on my
privacy and freedoms.

CM

Amen, to every one of your points. Thank God, I was not born any later.

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:YvGLf.1188$dg.1146@clgrps13...
This is not merely restricted to your country Jl.... I have also toned
down my air travel in Canada. It's just plain ridiculous at times.....
they consider a nail clipper a lethal weapon!! I had to bite my tongue to
refrain from pointing out that I could beat 3/4 of the passengers on the
flight into a coma with my bare hands before I would consider deploying my
"lethal nail clipper"! I bet 4 men with Navy Seals training could take
over a plane in very little time with no weapons at all.

I can understand and respect proactive security measures..... but what
they are implementing is beyond bordering on ridiculous and I believe it
is nothing more than a facade.

The requirements for travel to the USA reeks of information gathering and
infringement of privacy... not to mention a gross trampling of individual
freedoms.

The very name "Homeland Security" resonates pre cold war Russia / Nazi
Germany.

CM

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. com...
For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3
cities a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I
no longer fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the
degrading and officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers.
With my temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one
of those officious *******s.




"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:VIuLf.2314$M52.1274@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place, but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal
with them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I don't.....
and you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted, and claim
I'm anti American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those of us here
from the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber recreational
pleasure of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on
it--hell, they'd find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with
no opposition. So in my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon
and Ozzy to enjoy your time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an inconvenience...
we just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security documentation
and references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US Customs. If
I view their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to
provide.... how can you state that as anti American? Does my personal
decision offend your national pride? What makes you think I am short
changing myself because I refuse to comply with a ridiculous request? I
wouldn't travel to any country requiring that level of infringement on
my privacy and freedoms.

CM

"jlrogers" wrote in message
. com...
For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3
cities a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I no
longer fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the
degrading and officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers.
With my temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one
of those officious *******s.

If you change your mind and go flying into the US again, could you please
let me know where and when? I'd love to watch.

Max