In 1944 I was on a troop train that was stopped in Upper NY State, East
of Buffalo (Samson TO Chicago) We were rescued by one of those Loco.
Snow Blowers



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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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A picture???? Whooppeeeee!!!
Good gravy!


Says the Mario Andretti of snow packed roads!

Did I tell you that two of my horses cost more than your boat?

No?

Well, now I did!

Amen!

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Tell us, Mooron, what are the stopping distances on 6 inches of powder
vs. wet road above freezing?

What mass, speed and area of friction circle would be involved in your
Hypothetical Scenario Bobsprit? What depth of Powder, Temperature....
Standing Water?.... "road" is ambiguous Bobsprit... Asphalt?, Concrete?,
Chip Seal?, Gravel?, Clay? .... has sand, de-icer or calcium been added to
absorb water or melt ice?

Shall we engage a scenario you might be familiar with... a city street?
You claim better traction in a foot of snow than on a plowed street!! Didn't
You?

Heh Bobsprit.... you think Scotty notices 6 " of powder on the road when
driving his rig?

CM-

Actually, snow of any height does help one stop.



"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Tell us, Mooron, what are the stopping distances on 6 inches of powder
vs. wet road above freezing?

What mass, speed and area of friction circle would be involved in your
Hypothetical Scenario Bobsprit? What depth of Powder, Temperature....
Standing Water?.... "road" is ambiguous Bobsprit... Asphalt?, Concrete?,
Chip Seal?, Gravel?, Clay? .... has sand, de-icer or calcium been added to
absorb water or melt ice?

Shall we engage a scenario you might be familiar with... a city street?
You claim better traction in a foot of snow than on a plowed street!!
Didn't You?

Heh Bobsprit.... you think Scotty notices 6 " of powder on the road when
driving his rig?

CM-

What mass, speed and area of friction circle would be involved in your
Hypothetical Scenario Bobsprit? What depth of Powder, Temperature....
Standing Water?.... "road" is ambiguous Bobsprit... Asphalt?,
Concrete?,
Chip Seal?, Gravel?, Clay? .... has sand, de-icer or calcium been added
to
absorb water or melt ice?


Sorry, Mooron. Your memory failed you again. We were talking about MY
SUV in conditions found yesterday. You actually think that stopping
distances are shorter on ice and packed snow from a plow?!!!
Okie dokie!

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Tell us, Mooron, what are the stopping distances on 6
inches of powder
vs. wet road above freezing?

What mass, speed and area of friction circle would be
involved in your
Hypothetical Scenario Bobsprit? What depth of Powder,
Temperature....
Standing Water?.... "road" is ambiguous Bobsprit...
Asphalt?, Concrete?,
Chip Seal?, Gravel?, Clay? .... has sand, de-icer or
calcium been added to
absorb water or melt ice?

Shall we engage a scenario you might be familiar with... a
city street?
You claim better traction in a foot of snow than on a
plowed street!! Didn't
You?

Heh Bobsprit.... you think Scotty notices 6 " of powder on
the road when
driving his rig?


Hell yeah, I notice. As soon as it starts snowing I get off
the road and drive through unplowed fields. Much better
traction!

Scotty

Someone put salt out, I reckon that was him. I slept
through the shoveling this time.

Seahag

"Scotty" wrote:
So the Nazi isn't responsible for it?

Scotty


"Seahag" wrote:
Whoever wants to!

Seahag

"Scotty" wrote:
Who shovels the dock?

"Seahag" wrote:
Looks like we got 6 or 8" overnight. Bill took the
Jeep
to
McDonalds for greasy-meat, didn't even get to ust
4h:^(


"Scotty" wrote:
I just measured 16'' here. And it's still
snowing!!!!!!!
How's everybody else doing?

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Someone put salt out, I reckon that was him. I slept through the
shoveling this time.

Seahag

"Scotty" wrote:
So the Nazi isn't responsible for it?

Scotty


"Seahag" wrote:
Whoever wants to!

Seahag

"Scotty" wrote:
Who shovels the dock?

"Seahag" wrote:
Looks like we got 6 or 8" overnight. Bill took the
Jeep
to
McDonalds for greasy-meat, didn't even get to ust 4h:^(


"Scotty" wrote:
I just measured 16'' here. And it's still
snowing!!!!!!!
How's everybody else doing?






Isn't that salt going to get into the ocean and do some ecological damage?

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Sorry, Mooron. Your memory failed you again. We were talking about MY
SUV in conditions found yesterday.

aHEM.....I Believe you stated plainly that "And if you knew anything about
driving you might know that a plowed street can be worse than unplowed."

You actually think that stopping
distances are shorter on ice and packed snow from a plow?!!!

Stopping distances are a function of mass, inertia and friction surface. Now
that this is explained... let's delve further.... powder snow does not
provide friction of any sort..... nor does it radically impede forward
progress unless it exceeds your ground clearance. Windrowing of snow to the
sides of the tire will impede directional stability.... this results in loss
of control. It is not a condition imposed by friction.

Again..... slow your vehicle to maintain an adequate friction circle to
each tire and minimize momentum to existing conditions. No plowed road shows
glare ice under snow. Even minimal compacted snow surface will provide
traction. Traction is control.

Hope that was easy enough to understand for you.

CM-

Actually, the wettest stuff was at ground level, of course. So as long as I
kept it a few inches off the ground it threw nicely. After topping it, I
dropped to surface level and it just wouldn't do it, got all clogged up.
Ruined my whole testosterone rush.
Scout


"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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You have 2 choices here Scout.... approach it a little at a time or
undertake "Bobsprit's Revelation" - which states that deep snow provides
better traction than plowed snow.

CM

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I just measured 16'' here. And it's still snowing!!!!!!!
How's everybody else doing?

I was busy getting my John Deere fitted with a 42" snow thrower. I have a
lot to clear (no pun intended). Anyway, the pros at John Deere prepped
the tractor for the thrower when I bought it, but I'm guessing they never
read the instructions because they prepped it for an electric PTO; mine
is mechanical, and they knew that. Well, the thrower still fit, but I
didn't like how things looked, belts too tight, etc., so I dug out the
original manual and there it was. I remounted all the brackets and
shoulder bolts and so on, and she fired right. I hit the 15" of wet
spring snow and she plugged up like a fat man on a cheese diet.
Scout, waiting for a foot of powder snow.