Joe wrote:
Phillipines yes Japan not much interest.


Why? It's gorgeous coast and good sailing.

Godzilla


... The St Lawrence down the
mississippi to crowded for taste in crusing. Many of the trawler people
here talk about the great loop.


It's surprising how many people do it every year.

Thats what I mean, you need blinkers to get on and off the loop. Like
the good sam club of camping RV's.


Doug I pushed barges for years in the ICW, they drew 13 ft loarded. Why
do you have problems with a 4+ft draft?


When & where?

From South Texas around Port Aransas all the way to the Mississippi,
Most times between the Sabine and the Brazos. I did it in the early
90's. They still do it today, I'm sure you could go all the way to
Florida with anything under 11 ft.


I can't think of a single place in NC where
you could pass with more than about 9' draft, and that's
dead center in the channel. Once you get further south, you
can make it on the tide.

IIRC the controlling depth for the ICW in TX is 13 ft. We pushed that
many time with the supply boats loading out of Freeport area.

Working the tides is very important here on the ICW. If you leave at
the wrong time you can be pushing or riding the tides all the way
between the sabine and Galveston bay. Sometimes with a loaded barge you
could arrive faster leaving 6 hours later.

Bahama's do sound nice.


It is nice, and nicer the further west. Of course, the
Bahamas gov't realizes they don't have much in the way of a
national economy and has decided to make cruisers vote with
their dollars.

May just be cheaper to cruise the USA and stay at 5 star marinas and
anchorages if were talking money.

Joe

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Joe wrote:
If you had 1-2 yrs to cruise would you go

Up the east coast, around Canada ,the NW passage, around Alaska, down
south, round the horn, back to Texas.


Or Panama canal, hawaii, palmyra, phillipines, micornesia, marshalls,
soloman, vanatau, OZ, new calodonia, fiji, tongo, Cook, NZ, picard,
tonga, roratonga, Bora bora, tahiti, tuamotus, marqueses, panama canal,

texas.


Or up the east coast , nova scotia, greenland, iceland, norway,
amsterdam, london, france, spain, italy, greece, isreal, egypt, libya,
tripoli,morroco, canary's , bahama, florida, texas .


Or hondo, costa rica, venezuela, guyana, rio, uraguay, falklands, s.
georgia, capetown, hamibia, angola, cameroon, libera, sierra leone,
senegal, perto rico, texas.


any other suggestions?


Joe

I'd sail up the east coast and across to Ireland, then England and
France to Portugal and Spain, down through the Med to Greece and
then up the Asiatic one coast and back down the other then back out
the Med to sail across to Morroco and then go actoss to the Carib
and back up.

Nice route.

joe

On 31 Jan 2006 20:18:32 -0800, "Joe" wrote:

If you had 1-2 yrs to cruise would you go

Up the east coast, around Canada ,the NW passage, around Alaska, down
south, round the horn, back to Texas.


Or Panama canal, hawaii, palmyra, phillipines, micornesia, marshalls,
soloman, vanatau, OZ, new calodonia, fiji, tongo, Cook, NZ, picard,
tonga, roratonga, Bora bora, tahiti, tuamotus, marqueses, panama canal,

texas.


Or up the east coast , nova scotia, greenland, iceland, norway,
amsterdam, london, france, spain, italy, greece, isreal, egypt, libya,
tripoli,morroco, canary's , bahama, florida, texas .


Or hondo, costa rica, venezuela, guyana, rio, uraguay, falklands, s.
georgia, capetown, hamibia, angola, cameroon, libera, sierra leone,
senegal, perto rico, texas.


any other suggestions?


Joe


Atlantic Circle, highside to the med. spend a lot of time there, then
low side to the Carib.

Frank

I'd like to explore the giant lakes of Canada.
Great hunting, fishing, hiking in true wilderness.

Another interesting place are the fiords of the west coast of South America.
Again, a wild setting.

Then I'd sail to Iwo Jima.

Amen!

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you had 1-2 yrs to cruise would you go

Up the east coast, around Canada ,the NW passage, around Alaska, down
south, round the horn, back to Texas.


Or Panama canal, hawaii, palmyra, phillipines, micornesia, marshalls,
soloman, vanatau, OZ, new calodonia, fiji, tongo, Cook, NZ, picard,
tonga, roratonga, Bora bora, tahiti, tuamotus, marqueses, panama canal,

texas.


Or up the east coast , nova scotia, greenland, iceland, norway,
amsterdam, london, france, spain, italy, greece, isreal, egypt, libya,
tripoli,morroco, canary's , bahama, florida, texas .


Or hondo, costa rica, venezuela, guyana, rio, uraguay, falklands, s.
georgia, capetown, hamibia, angola, cameroon, libera, sierra leone,
senegal, perto rico, texas.


any other suggestions?


Joe

I'd circumnavigate twice.

"Joe" wrote
If you had 1-2 yrs to cruise would you go

Up the east coast, around Canada ,the NW passage, around Alaska, down
south, round the horn, back to Texas.


Or Panama canal, hawaii, palmyra, phillipines, micornesia, marshalls,
soloman, vanatau, OZ, new calodonia, fiji, tongo, Cook, NZ, picard,
tonga, roratonga, Bora bora, tahiti, tuamotus, marqueses, panama canal,

texas.


Or up the east coast , nova scotia, greenland, iceland, norway,
amsterdam, london, france, spain, italy, greece, isreal, egypt, libya,
tripoli,morroco, canary's , bahama, florida, texas .


Or hondo, costa rica, venezuela, guyana, rio, uraguay, falklands, s.
georgia, capetown, hamibia, angola, cameroon, libera, sierra leone,
senegal, perto rico, texas.


any other suggestions?


Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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If you had 1-2 yrs to cruise would you go

Just off the top of my head...someplace WARM

Up the east coast, around Canada ,the NW passage, around Alaska, down
south, round the horn, back to Texas.

Give it up Joe..... it's beyond your logistical, financial and navigational
abilities to even attempt it. Too often have I seen abandoned or stored
sailboats in the arctic. The dreams of their crew destroyed by grim
realities of pack ice, blocked channels, storms, relentless cold and rapid
seasonal changes. You truly have no clue as to what to expect there ....do
you?

Or up the east coast , nova scotia, greenland, iceland, norway,
amsterdam, london, france, spain, italy, greece, isreal, egypt, libya,
tripoli,morroco, canary's , bahama, florida, texas .

Easily doable...... a Nordica 20 sailed that route to Greece.

any other suggestions?

South America... down and around... try some Antarctic water before you try
the really hard stuff in the Arctic.

CM

Listen Chicken man, I have a steel hull buildt for ice. I would carry
all we need, no need for outside logistical support. What makes you
think I can not navigate the area. I ran rivers thru swamps that would
leave you crying in the mud and dying from mosquito bites. I'm sure the
boats you see abandoned in the artic are mostly french and Canook. I
would love to fish along the edge of the Artic. I would expect cold and
lots of ice, crystal clear blue water, clear skies and yellow fin tuna
in the 6-7 hundred pound range. And really cold drinks. I would expect
people to leave me alone and allow me to explore the area at will. Not
have some pushy Canooks telling me they own the ice.


The Med would be a fine cruise I'm sure. Greece has some great ruins
and secluded anchorages. Lots of nice diving ect..


Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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Listen Chicken man, I have a steel hull buildt for ice. I would carry
all we need, no need for outside logistical support. What makes you
think I can not navigate the area. I ran rivers thru swamps that would
leave you crying in the mud and dying from mosquito bites. I'm sure the
boats you see abandoned in the artic are mostly french and Canook. I
would love to fish along the edge of the Artic. I would expect cold and
lots of ice, crystal clear blue water, clear skies and yellow fin tuna
in the 6-7 hundred pound range. And really cold drinks. I would expect
people to leave me alone and allow me to explore the area at will. Not
have some pushy Canooks telling me they own the ice.

First off..... Yellow Fin Tuna in the Arctic!!!!!?????
Bwahahahahahahahahahaaa!
Typical Ignorant Yank..... no idea what the hell you're going to get
yourself into and no clue it's well beyond your abilities.

Here's an idea.... go to your local chinaman and ask if you can sit in his
walk-in freezer for 12 hrs. It should be about -10c which is the average
temperature on the water in the summer. The water is exceptionally clear....
but will freeze you in an instant. You'd better look at the distances
involved and the community dispersion. You'd best take a liking to seal
meat. Compasses don't work for **** up there. No radio contact.... no
help... no daily weather forecast... no routing.... channels close in
minutes and ice packs can wedge your vessel in for a long long time.

You won't see more than a couple of Inuit or an occasional Canadian Coast
Guard vessel. You can explore all you want... as long as you have permits
from the Inuit to fish and walk on their land. That'll cost you a purse full
of cash.

Good news is you won't need your running lights ..since it's 24 hr daylight.
Your metal boat will act as a heat sink and dissapate any warmth your
furnace can generate. Your vessel will ice up and become top heavy.

You''ll end up a defeated, crushed shell of a man before you hit Kugluktuk,
never mind Goa Haven. Your boat will adorn the coast of some community ...
just like all the others from the USA.

Seriously Joe..... you don't even know enough about the area to make it
dangerous... it's suicidal for you at this stage. Give it up... Americans
have no business in a Man's World like the Arctic....... stay at home where
Bush will keep you safe with Yellow & Orange alert status indicators.

CM



The Med would be a fine cruise I'm sure. Greece has some great ruins
and secluded anchorages. Lots of nice diving ect..


Joe

Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Listen Chicken man, I have a steel hull buildt for ice. I would carry
all we need, no need for outside logistical support. What makes you
think I can not navigate the area. I ran rivers thru swamps that would
leave you crying in the mud and dying from mosquito bites. I'm sure the
boats you see abandoned in the artic are mostly french and Canook. I
would love to fish along the edge of the Artic. I would expect cold and
lots of ice, crystal clear blue water, clear skies and yellow fin tuna
in the 6-7 hundred pound range. And really cold drinks. I would expect
people to leave me alone and allow me to explore the area at will. Not
have some pushy Canooks telling me they own the ice.

First off..... Yellow Fin Tuna in the Arctic!!!!!?????

North pacific, in the artic I would eat Caribou, polar bear ect... If I
can drop a deer at 200 yard here I can do in in the artic. Polar bears
are even bigger targets, will see the fur on e-bay. As far is fishing
goes, Salmon, trout, Grayling, Whitefish and other will do.


Bwahahahahahahahahahaaa!
Typical Ignorant Yank..... no idea what the hell you're going to get
yourself into and no clue it's well beyond your abilities.

Here's an idea.... go to your local chinaman and ask if you can sit in his
walk-in freezer for 12 hrs. It should be about -10c which is the average
temperature on the water in the summer.

Big deal! -10c is nothing...hear me nothing. I have a flannel shirt and
tabogon too you know.

The water is exceptionally clear....
but will freeze you in an instant.

Wuss, an ice water dip is fun, here in the summer we have block parties
where everyone brings his weight in ice blocks to the pool.

You'd better look at the distances
involved and the community dispersion. You'd best take a liking to seal
meat.

No whale meat?

Compasses don't work for **** up there.

Sextant, GPS.

No radio contact....

Who want's it?

no
help...

who needs it?

no daily weather forecast...

I have a barometer.

no routing....

What is this ? Traffic control?


channels close in
minutes and ice packs can wedge your vessel in for a long long time.

I will stay near the thin ice, you heard about global warming right?


You won't see more than a couple of Inuit or an occasional Canadian Coast
Guard vessel.

Well if they need help I will lend a hand, it's the proper thing to do.

You can explore all you want... as long as you have permits
from the Inuit to fish and walk on their land.

Ice is not land. No one owns ice in international waters. Same with the
fish.

That'll cost you a purse full
of cash.

And a hand full of beads



Good news is you won't need your running lights ..since it's 24 hr daylight.
Your metal boat will act as a heat sink and dissapate any warmth your
furnace can generate.

I will paint it black


Your vessel will ice up and become top heavy.

Not so, I will keep it chipped off.


You''ll end up a defeated, crushed shell of a man before you hit Kugluktuk,
never mind Goa Haven. Your boat will adorn the coast of some community ...
just like all the others from the USA.

Defeat in not an option. If I ever did decide to do it, I would do it
Mooron, no doubt.

And yes RedCloud would adorn the coast and briten up the communities as
I anchor and explore, but I will be just passing thru.


Seriously Joe..... you don't even know enough about the area to make it
dangerous... it's suicidal for you at this stage. Give it up... Americans
have no business in a Man's World like the Arctic....... stay at home where
Bush will keep you safe with Yellow & Orange alert status indicators.


I will bring along my duct tape and plastic sheeting .....just incase.

Joe


CM



The Med would be a fine cruise I'm sure. Greece has some great ruins
and secluded anchorages. Lots of nice diving ect..


Joe