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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Try proving you're better educated and smarter than I. Go for it. So
far, you sound like a buffoon by trying to defend using the phrase
jewing down.

Simplicity Ganz..... you have no choice regarding your race [or in your
case your homosexual orientation]... but plenty regarding your religious
beliefs.

Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice. Sort of
like someone like you, who has plenty of opportunities to get past
their hysterical rantings, but won't admit when they have a problem.

Religions are fair game..... if there was no benefit to being a Jew....
they wouldn't have a membership.

I have heard that being Jewish isn't so much a faith as a fate.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

$10 Canadian you don't refer to them as nergos.

Of course not... I refer to them as niece, nephew, brother in law, aunt,
uncle etc

I would think that they are Negros, you would definitely not refer to
them as Nergos.

Negro is what they are... as I am Caucasian.Even though they are not 100%
negro, I'm probably not 100% Caucasian.... I'm Belgian... but they are not
African... matter of fact I'm Afro- Belgian..... I was born in the Congo.

Do your relatives refer to you as white or gay?

They refer to me by my name.

Why are you obsessed with gayness? You sure are defensive about it....


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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice. Sort of
like someone like you, who has plenty of opportunities to get past
their hysterical rantings, but won't admit when they have a problem.

I don't really see the connection there Ganz..... are you stating that
just because a person is born into a religion that they don't have the
freedom of thought to explore other beliefs, values and direction to
enlighten themselves.... so we should respect their lack of intelligence?

Or are you claiming that like being born a gay, cream puff, fudge packer
such as yourself due to faulty genes is the same as being born a muslim,
christian or jew and that religious freedom is relegated to the right to
practice as opposed to the right to chose?

I have heard that being Jewish isn't so much a faith as a fate.

Sounds a lot like an anti-Semitic statement there Jon-Boy.....

....and Ganzy...... although I could chose to be sympathetic, forgiving and
tolerant of your malicious, petty, back-stabbing and cowardly behaviour....
I chose not to. I have made this choice in a rational and logical manner. I
don't like you... I think you are a weasel... that's not going to change.
You're a netkkkop!

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice. Sort of
like someone like you, who has plenty of opportunities to get past
their hysterical rantings, but won't admit when they have a problem.

I don't really see the connection there Ganz..... are you stating that
just because a person is born into a religion that they don't have the
freedom of thought to explore other beliefs, values and direction to
enlighten themselves.... so we should respect their lack of intelligence?

It's not a matter of intelligence, more of indoctrination, which can
be a very powerful force.

I have heard that being Jewish isn't so much a faith as a fate.

Sounds a lot like an anti-Semitic statement there Jon-Boy.....

Sounds a lot like you're not very well read.

...and Ganzy...... although I could chose to be sympathetic, forgiving and

No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

I would think that they are Negros, you would definitely not refer to
them as Nergos.

...and they don't refer to me as "Caucasian" either... but that wasn't your
question was it Ganzy.

They refer to me by my name.

Of course they do... they overlook your homosexuality... but see what
happens when you bring a black boyfriend home to meet them.


Why are you obsessed with gayness? You sure are defensive about it....

Obsessed?? ... not really... you're the only one I call gay on this group!
That's only because you are Gay! When have I ever been defensive? Do you
know what "defensive" is Jon... it's you claiming to be a heterosexual and
acting like a queen at every opportunity.

CM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

It's not a matter of intelligence, more of indoctrination, which can
be a very powerful force.

Oh I see... you believe indoctrination by birth to a religion totally
eliminates a person's capacity or ability to formulate independent thought?


Sounds a lot like you're not very well read.

Heh.. I read Heavy Metal


No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

So.. what makes you believe I'm angry Jon? Is it because I loath you as a
snivelling rodent of a human being? Do you see me treat others on this group
with the disdain and contempt I utilize with you? Seriously... I believe
Binary Bill has more value than you.... and he's a spineless dickwad. { No
need to thank me Billy]

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
Why are you obsessed with gayness? You sure are defensive about it....

Obsessed?? ... not really...

Talk about lying! Amazing. Do you actually believe your statement
here?

You are very, very clearly obsessed. You can't stop. You absolutely
must try to put people down and me in particular.

How is that you got yourself into such a sad state?

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Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

It's not a matter of intelligence, more of indoctrination, which can
be a very powerful force.

Oh I see... you believe indoctrination by birth to a religion totally
eliminates a person's capacity or ability to formulate independent thought?

No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.

Sounds a lot like you're not very well read.

Heh.. I read Heavy Metal

No doubt.

No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

So.. what makes you believe I'm angry Jon? Is it because I loath you as a
snivelling rodent of a human being? Do you see me treat others on this group
with the disdain and contempt I utilize with you? Seriously... I believe
Binary Bill has more value than you.... and he's a spineless dickwad. { No
need to thank me Billy]

Yes. And, yes. But, apparently, I'm the focus of most of your anger,
as illustrated in your previous statement. You absolutely can not
accept responsibility for your own actions, and this makes you very,
very angry.

Why are you not able to accept responsibility for your own actions?
Most adults seem to be able to do that.

I'm glad you find value in BBs posts. Really.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.

Well most here consider you naive.... but I know you're just Gay. Now what
makes you an expert on N. Korean matters??


No doubt.

Well no doubt it's of little interest to you... it's mostly naked women.


Yes. And, yes. But, apparently, I'm the focus of most of your anger,
as illustrated in your previous statement. You absolutely can not
accept responsibility for your own actions, and this makes you very,
very angry.

My actions are calling you GAY... you're actions are to report me for that.
Then you blame me because you reported me?????? Yeah ..Okay, Shure Gaynz!

Why are you not able to accept responsibility for your own actions?
Most adults seem to be able to do that.

If I punched your lights out... I'd admit to doing so. In this instance you
are stifling my freedom of speech because you disagree with my viewpoint of
your sexual orientation. Do you believe it's "bad" to be gay? Do you think
it was wrong to call Horvath Gay? You did as much for many months and he
didn't report you did he?


I'm glad you find value in BBs posts. Really.

You seem incapable of basic comprehension "Jon".... I don't find any value
in Bill's posts.... and the only reason I bother to reply to yours, is that
you are infatuated with me and cannot allow even one of my posts to escape
scrutiny in case your name is mentioned and you are once again labelled as
Gay! In short .. you are illustrating every indication of being a stalker. I
enjoy watching you twist and writhe in agony at any ripple I cause in the
ASA pond.
Binary Bill is just a worthless asshole..... while you a an Idiotic Nutbar!

BTW - I still think you're as Queer as a Three Dollar Binary Bill!

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Talk about lying! Amazing. Do you actually believe your statement
here?

Yup... did you read any words beyond "Gay"


You are very, very clearly obsessed. You can't stop. You absolutely
must try to put people down and me in particular.

No.. only you!


How is that you got yourself into such a sad state?

Sheesh Jon.... how gay can you get?!!!!

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Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.

Well most here consider you naive.... Now what
makes you an expert on N. Korean matters??

What makes you an expert?

Well no doubt it's of little interest to you... it's mostly naked women.


Yes. And, yes. But, apparently, I'm the focus of most of your anger,
as illustrated in your previous statement. You absolutely can not
accept responsibility for your own actions, and this makes you very,
very angry.

My actions are calling you GAY... you're actions are to report me for that.
Then you blame me because you reported me?????? Yeah ..Okay, Shure Gaynz!

And, I'm calling you a liar. You can't give up your anger, you can't
accept responsibility for your own actions, so you call me names and
claim I've done something wrong.

Why are you not able to accept responsibility for your own actions?
Most adults seem to be able to do that.

If I punched your lights out... I'd admit to doing so. In this instance you
are stifling my freedom of speech because you disagree with my viewpoint of

I don't have the authority to prevent you from speaking as you
wish. You would not be capable of "punching my lights out." You are so
filled with rage (probably at your own actions), that you would surely
be unable to land a single blow.

it was wrong to call Horvath Gay? You did as much for many months and he
didn't report you did he?

And, I regret doing that. I made an error in judgement, and it was
wrong. We have yet to see any apologies from you. You're much too much
of a big man to admit that you made and continue to make mistakes.

I have no idea. I'm sure my ISP would have had a good laugh. He
possibly made several harassing phone calls to me and my wife, which
was dealt with mostly without my intervention, since they stopped
abruptly. I can't be sure it was him, but the timing was right.

I'm glad you find value in BBs posts. Really.

You seem incapable of basic comprehension "Jon".... I don't find any value
in Bill's posts.... and the only reason I bother to reply to yours, is that

You said it not me. You said you find his posts to be of more value. I
think that's wonderful. Keep reading them.

Binary Bill is just a worthless asshole..... while you a an Idiotic Nutbar!

Yet, you keep responding to my posts, stalking me from post to post,
even when it doesn't involve you directly. This is very mature on your part.


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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

What makes you an expert?

Unlike you.. I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

And, I'm calling you a liar. You can't give up your anger, you can't
accept responsibility for your own actions, so you call me names and
claim I've done something wrong.

Sure I can accept responsibilities... I'm saying you are a homosexual
because that is based on your posts. You are the only one that considers
being called "Gay" as a bad thing Jon. Just admit it and come out of the
closet... join Glory Sail!

I don't have the authority to prevent you from speaking as you
wish. You would not be capable of "punching my lights out." You are so
filled with rage (probably at your own actions), that you would surely
be unable to land a single blow.

That's correct.... you can impede me temporarily by reporting me to my ISP
like some child in a tantrum.
Jon.. I could easily punch your lights out. You're a spineless, weak, little
dork. I would only use the back of my hand... because you don't deserve to
be treated like a man. You're safe as long as you remain out of reach....
but never, ever cross into the Mooron Zone.

And, I regret doing that. I made an error in judgement, and it was
wrong. We have yet to see any apologies from you. You're much too much
of a big man to admit that you made and continue to make mistakes.

No you don't you ****in' liar! You called Horvath Gay for way longer than
I've called you gay. Horvath would never bother to threaten you you lying
sack of ****! He could care less.

Yet, you keep responding to my posts, stalking me from post to post,
even when it doesn't involve you directly. This is very mature on your
part.

You must be sucking more penis than usual as of late.... it's effecting your
thought process.... I only reply to your posts for another opportunity to
remind you and everyone else that you're GAY! You must love it because you
keep refusing to KF me!

You haven't bothered to even change the header.... Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
Unlike you.. I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Definitely unlike me.

And, I'm calling you a liar. You can't give up your anger, you can't
accept responsibility for your own actions, so you call me names and
claim I've done something wrong.

Sure I can accept responsibilities...

You have yet to do so. You're a child.

I don't have the authority to prevent you from speaking as you
wish. You would not be capable of "punching my lights out." You are so
filled with rage (probably at your own actions), that you would surely
be unable to land a single blow.

That's correct.... you can impede me temporarily by reporting me to my ISP
like some child in a tantrum.

I never reported you to your ISP for calling me gay. If you claim that
I did, you're either misguided or a liar.

Jon.. I could easily punch your lights out. You're a spineless, weak, little
dork. I would only use the back of my hand... because you don't deserve to
be treated like a man. You're safe as long as you remain out of reach....
but never, ever cross into the Mooron Zone.

Right. I've heard bs before from people bigger and better than
you. They, like you are full of bluster but no substance. I'm safe
because you're a bully, the kind of person I learned how deal with in
2nd grade.

And, I regret doing that. I made an error in judgement, and it was
wrong. We have yet to see any apologies from you. You're much too much
of a big man to admit that you made and continue to make mistakes.

No you don't you ****in' liar! You called Horvath Gay for way longer than
I've called you gay. Horvath would never bother to threaten you you lying
sack of ****! He could care less.

No I don't what? You're starting to rant again. What's your point? I
just said "I regret doing that. I made an error in judgement, and it
was wrong." I don't how to make it more clear. When are you going to
admit that you're wrong and be a man about it?

Yet, you keep responding to my posts, stalking me from post to post,
even when it doesn't involve you directly. This is very mature on your
part.

I only reply to your posts for another opportunity to remind you and

You don't "reply to my posts." You just vent your anger for all the
world to see.

You can't help yourself. You have no ability to do otherwise. Every
time I post, especially lately, you absolutely must post something
you think (deluded as you are) that is offensive.

You haven't bothered to even change the header.... Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

Ok, here you go. $10 Canadian you'll change it to something vile.



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No you don't you ****in' liar! You called Horvath Gay for way longer than
I've called you gay. Horvath would never bother to threaten you you lying
sack of ****! He could care less.

I forgot to add that I really think you need to take a chill pill. If
you keep reacting like this, you'll pop a gasket and drop dead. You
don't think I'm worth much right, so why have an aneurysm over it? I'm
obviously very, very important to you.

I'm convinced that if I did killfile you, you would

1) not stop and
2) find some other way to get my attention. Convince me you can behave
like a man, and I'll consider killfiling you. Now, I have to admit,
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Ohh Robert Brody,

Is your vagina itching again?
Mine is.

SB
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
You haven't been around very much I guess.

Only about 70 years, living or visiting all parts of the USA and some of
Canada - except of course FNYC. Only went there once - it was too filthy to
return.


It's not a phobia. No one is running from the room. It's about not
tolerating abusive, racist language.

Tolerating? What are you going to do about it, whine the dude to death?

Look up the word phobia and get back to us.

Phobia: An irrational fear or anxiety .... like a phobia about certain sounds or
words.

No, there is nothing wrong with a *little* sensitivity but pavlovian
oversensitivity, not callousness, is the demon. Nor is there anything wrong

So far, I haven't seen your ability to do this.

That's because you are phobic.

There's a difference between giving language color and being offensive
for no reason. The latter is what we're talking about.

On the contrary. The whole discussion began over the phrase "Jew down" which, if
it carries any insult the insult exists only in the minds of those who dislike
Jews or are ashamed of being Jewish.


But, that's what you do. Stop trying to play psychologist. You're not
very good at it.

Good enough to know that you are phobic because you are prejudiced but in
denial.

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"katy" wrote
No, it's the fault of the clod who would use language like that, in
that time and space, in mixed company.

Perhaps, but why put oneself in a position to be abused? I was once addicted to
tobacco so going anywhere that didn't allow me to feed that addiction made me
very uncomfortable. Like some here, I could blame the folks who denied me the
'right to smoke', but that's stupid. I quit instead. Similarly, to weaken
oneself to the point that the sound of a word causes one discomfit is equally
stupid.

Do you recall Chessman, the red light bandit? He was executed because he forced
a victim to give him a BJ - something 1000 of women and gays do daily - but it
drove her crazy and she spent the rest of her life in an institution. Punish
chessman? Sure. But who's fault was it that she was so injured by a common act?

You obviously understand nothing about the powers of words.

Wrong - I go a step farther to understand *why* words have power - power that is
purely in the mind of the listener. If I shout "WOP" at somebody who had never
heard the word they wouldn't be offended. Being called "WOP" is only offensive
if, a) you despise Italians and don't want to be called one or b) you are
Italian but ashamed of it. Same goes for Jew, Mick, et cetera. What if the
shouter hates Italians and intends to insult you? Hey, that's his problem - he's
the one being eaten up and limited by hate. Why join him? The best answer is to
laugh at his anger. But it is idiotic to allow oneself to be pained by it or
any word, epecially when no insult was intended.

Fight your Pavlovian responses and ask yourself *why* "Jew down" would discomfit
anyone. Because its a "bad word" or because of the listener's conditioned
response to it? Obviously the latter else "chocolate" and "pizza" would effect
them the same way. Capisca?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Try proving you're better educated and smarter than I. Go for it. So
far, you sound like a buffoon by trying to defend using the phrase
jewing down.

BSEE plus doctorates in Divinity and Metaphysics and an IQ in the high 140s.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

Look in a mirror. That's why you think "Jew down" offensive. Because you
hopelessly trapped in antisemetism but in denial about it.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice.

Programmed? Yes. No choice? No. All one trapped in a religion need do is study
and get the facts about it. As a child, I was programmed to believe that I was
guilty of Adam's original sin but that a man named Jesus Christ had started a
church and died to save me. Then I discovered that was all false. Creationism is
a myth, but even if you buy into it Adam's punishment was that he had to work
for a living. Is the church going to take that punishment away? No! Jesus
Christ? There was no man named Jesus Christ and the person(s) we think were did
not found modern Christianity - that was Saul of Tarsus. So, thanks to
knowledge, I'm no longer burdened by these superstitions. Then I thot to
embrace Judism - until I discovered that it was based on myth and a practical
joke. Islam? Same thing. Proving that "trapped" is like being trapped in
poverty - one is only trapped if one lacks initiative - and I have little
sympathy for lack of initiative.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it, the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bzzzz.. hate to tell you, but I live in California. Please take a
break Vito. You're really starting to look foolish.

Where? I'll send some of my people from Compton over to reason with you. You'd
be safe in FNYC - nobody would go there.

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it, the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

Look in a mirror. That's why you think "Jew down" offensive. Because you
hopelessly trapped in antisemetism but in denial about it.

Please take your own advice.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice.

Programmed? Yes. No choice? No. All one trapped in a religion need do is study
and get the facts about it. As a child, I was programmed to believe that I was
guilty of Adam's original sin but that a man named Jesus Christ had started a
church and died to save me. Then I discovered that was all false. Creationism is
a myth, but even if you buy into it Adam's punishment was that he had to work
for a living. Is the church going to take that punishment away? No! Jesus
Christ? There was no man named Jesus Christ and the person(s) we think were did
not found modern Christianity - that was Saul of Tarsus. So, thanks to
knowledge, I'm no longer burdened by these superstitions. Then I thot to
embrace Judism - until I discovered that it was based on myth and a practical
joke. Islam? Same thing. Proving that "trapped" is like being trapped in
poverty - one is only trapped if one lacks initiative - and I have little
sympathy for lack of initiative.

You need to take a chill pill and do some research.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Try proving you're better educated and smarter than I. Go for it. So
far, you sound like a buffoon by trying to defend using the phrase
jewing down.

BSEE plus doctorates in Divinity and Metaphysics and an IQ in the high 140s.

Why do I not believe you.

Still, I see no proof...





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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
You haven't been around very much I guess.

Only about 70 years, living or visiting all parts of the USA and some of
Canada - except of course FNYC. Only went there once - it was too filthy to
return.

Age is finally getting to you?

It's not a phobia. No one is running from the room. It's about not
tolerating abusive, racist language.

Tolerating? What are you going to do about it, whine the dude to death?

Stand up and say it isn't right. Not back down from my belief that it
isn't right.

Look up the word phobia and get back to us.

Phobia: An irrational fear or anxiety .... like a phobia about certain sounds or
words.

So, where do you see fear or anxiety in any of my response. Just
because you use racist expressions, doesn't mean I have to be afraid
of them.

No, there is nothing wrong with a *little* sensitivity but pavlovian
oversensitivity, not callousness, is the demon. Nor is there anything wrong

So far, I haven't seen your ability to do this.

That's because you are phobic.

Oh, well, if you day so! NOT

There's a difference between giving language color and being offensive
for no reason. The latter is what we're talking about.

On the contrary. The whole discussion began over the phrase "Jew down" which, if
it carries any insult the insult exists only in the minds of those who dislike
Jews or are ashamed of being Jewish.

No, expressions like this cause harm, sometimes physical harm to
people if the people who use them are not called on their behavior. If
you've lived 70 years, you would get that unless you lived in a pickle
jar the whole time.

But, that's what you do. Stop trying to play psychologist. You're not
very good at it.

Good enough to know that you are phobic because you are prejudiced but in
denial.

Sure, whatever.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bzzzz.. hate to tell you, but I live in California. Please take a
break Vito. You're really starting to look foolish.

Where? I'll send some of my people from Compton over to reason with you. You'd
be safe in FNYC - nobody would go there.

Some of your people?? Now that's funny.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it,
the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.

Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

Max

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it,
the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.

Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

I realize it quite well, especially after you pointed it out. :-)

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Vito wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it,
the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.


Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

Max


Our oldest son is a professor of English in Pusan (Busan) and has a
Korean wife. His take is that whatever we here in the States know
about Korea is corrupted by the American press. When we have
called, concerned about something that has happened over there, he
almost always laughs and says "Why do you believe that crap on the
news? It's all propoganda." And you are correct..the average S.
Korean does want reunification. The reason, though, is that they
want the cheap labor that N. Korea would afford them. When we've
asked my daughter-in-law if they would ever consider moving back
here, she smiles and shakes her head. They could not have the
lifestyle here on a professor's salary that they do there. She has
a nanny for the kids and a full time housekeeper...if N. Koreans
were let in, says she, she would be able to get help for even less
than they pay now but would stuill be paying those people more than
they have ever made before.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Look in a mirror. That's why you think "Jew down" offensive. Because you
hopelessly trapped in antisemetism but in denial about it.

Please take your own advice.

OK, I did. I saw a person too wise to think that there are "bad words", just
knee jerk phobics like yourself. I'm not prejudiced against any group except
FNYCrs and will gladly insult them all equally. If I can make somebody hurt or
angry (same thing) by whispering a word or phrase then I have a weapon I can use
against them should I choose. So why set yourself up to be a victim?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Programmed? Yes. No choice? No. All one trapped in a religion need do is
study
and get the facts about it. As a child, I was programmed to believe that I
was
guilty of Adam's original sin but that a man named Jesus Christ had started a
church and died to save me. Then I discovered that was all false. Creationism
is
a myth, but even if you buy into it Adam's punishment was that he had to work
for a living. Is the church going to take that punishment away? No! Jesus
Christ? There was no man named Jesus Christ and the person(s) we think were
did
not found modern Christianity - that was Saul of Tarsus. So, thanks to
knowledge, I'm no longer burdened by these superstitions. Then I thot to
embrace Judism - until I discovered that it was based on myth and a practical
joke. Islam? Same thing. Proving that "trapped" is like being trapped in
poverty - one is only trapped if one lacks initiative - and I have little
sympathy for lack of initiative.

You need to take a chill pill and do some research.

Oh but I have. Remember my DD. I'm not the one all worked up over a phrase,
you are. I'm merely telling you the get a thicker skin and be rid of your
prejudices for your own good. Same reason I advise you to quit NYC.

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"Maxprop" wrote
Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

I don't argue that you are right but the US had little to do with the
partition. Also S Korea isn't much more democratic than the north it's just
that the people are financially much much better off so they can afford more
freedom. A unified Korea *might* be more of an economic threat but again I'm not
sure -- the same was said about East and West Germany but the reverse has proved
true. The West nearly went bankrupt absorbing the much poorer East and the
contrast in Korea is even greater. Only time will tell.

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"katy" wrote
Our oldest son is a professor of English in Pusan (Busan) and has a
Korean wife. His take is that whatever we here in the States know
about Korea is corrupted by the American press. When we have
called, concerned about something that has happened over there, he
almost always laughs and says "Why do you believe that crap on the
news? It's all propoganda." And you are correct..the average S.
Korean does want reunification. The reason, though, is that they
want the cheap labor that N. Korea would afford them. When we've
asked my daughter-in-law if they would ever consider moving back
here, she smiles and shakes her head. They could not have the
lifestyle here on a professor's salary that they do there. She has
a nanny for the kids and a full time housekeeper...if N. Koreans
were let in, says she, she would be able to get help for even less
than they pay now but would stuill be paying those people more than
they have ever made before.

Thanks for the insights. Everything we *know* is corrupted by the press.
However, as I told Max, I'm not so sure the 'cheap labor' will prove a benefit.
The West Germans felt the same way but fact is they have yet to fully recover
economically from reunification. Kick it around with your son and see what they
thing in light of the German experience.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Age is finally getting to you?

For sure - and it sucks.

Tolerating? What are you going to do about it, whine the dude to death?

Stand up and say it isn't right. Not back down from my belief that it
isn't right.

Ok, you'd whine them to death.

Phobia: An irrational fear or anxiety .... like a phobia about certain sounds
or
words.

So, where do you see fear or anxiety in any of my response.

I see a pavlovian response involving irrational anxiety in all of them.

No, there is nothing wrong with a *little* sensitivity but pavlovian
oversensitivity, not callousness, is the demon. Nor is there anything
wrong

So far, I haven't seen your ability to do this.

That's because you are phobic.

Oh, well, if you day so! NOT

Look at you knee jerk response to what you are conditioned to think are 'bad
words'. It's the same response as someone with a snake phobia who steps on a
snake.

There's a difference between giving language color and being offensive
for no reason. The latter is what we're talking about.

No, expressions like this cause harm, sometimes physical harm to
people if the people who use them are not called on their behavior.

I didn't say that words could not hurt some people, just that words cannot hurt
*rational* people. Someone who hates jews, for example, but is in denial, might
be offended by 'Jew down' or 'Jew book' but the pain comes from his own
prejudices not the words which bother nobody who lacks these prejudices. There
is no word you could speak that would cause me anxiety, let alone irrational
anxiety.

Sure, whatever.

I'm glad you finally agree and hope you will work on your phobias.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Some of your people?? Now that's funny.

Hey, I lived there during my teens and early 20s - a real home boy.

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"katy" wrote

Our oldest son is a professor of English in Pusan (Busan) and has a
Korean wife. His take is that whatever we here in the States know
about Korea is corrupted by the American press. When we have
called, concerned about something that has happened over there, he
almost always laughs and says "Why do you believe that crap on the
news? It's all propoganda." And you are correct..the average S.
Korean does want reunification. The reason, though, is that they
want the cheap labor that N. Korea would afford them. When we've
asked my daughter-in-law if they would ever consider moving back
here, she smiles and shakes her head. They could not have the
lifestyle here on a professor's salary that they do there. She has
a nanny for the kids and a full time housekeeper...if N. Koreans
were let in, says she, she would be able to get help for even less
than they pay now but would stuill be paying those people more than
they have ever made before.


Thanks for the insights. Everything we *know* is corrupted by the press.
However, as I told Max, I'm not so sure the 'cheap labor' will prove a benefit.
The West Germans felt the same way but fact is they have yet to fully recover
economically from reunification. Kick it around with your son and see what they
thing in light of the German experience.


We have...difference is that in Germany you have educated people on
both sides for the most part where in N. Korea tithe labor force
coming in is illiterate...other consideration is that the graft
situation in Korea is horrendous and there is no actual middle
class...and that want it to stay that way...

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Anyone who defends the use of a something so racially insensitive as the
term "jewing down" isn't worth much as a person. You need to wise up. One
would have thought that someone in his 70s, having seen the results of this
sort of behavior over the years, would be a little more worldly.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Look in a mirror. That's why you think "Jew down" offensive. Because
you
hopelessly trapped in antisemetism but in denial about it.

Please take your own advice.

OK, I did. I saw a person too wise to think that there are "bad words",
just
knee jerk phobics like yourself. I'm not prejudiced against any group
except
FNYCrs and will gladly insult them all equally. If I can make somebody
hurt or
angry (same thing) by whispering a word or phrase then I have a weapon I
can use
against them should I choose. So why set yourself up to be a victim?

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You're supposed advanced degree means nothing. It's just a piece of paper.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Programmed? Yes. No choice? No. All one trapped in a religion need do
is
study
and get the facts about it. As a child, I was programmed to believe that
I
was
guilty of Adam's original sin but that a man named Jesus Christ had
started a
church and died to save me. Then I discovered that was all false.
Creationism
is
a myth, but even if you buy into it Adam's punishment was that he had to
work
for a living. Is the church going to take that punishment away? No!
Jesus
Christ? There was no man named Jesus Christ and the person(s) we think
were
did
not found modern Christianity - that was Saul of Tarsus. So, thanks to
knowledge, I'm no longer burdened by these superstitions. Then I thot
to
embrace Judism - until I discovered that it was based on myth and a
practical
joke. Islam? Same thing. Proving that "trapped" is like being trapped
in
poverty - one is only trapped if one lacks initiative - and I have
little
sympathy for lack of initiative.

You need to take a chill pill and do some research.

Oh but I have. Remember my DD. I'm not the one all worked up over a
phrase,
you are. I'm merely telling you the get a thicker skin and be rid of your
prejudices for your own good. Same reason I advise you to quit NYC.