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katy February 2nd 06 02:33 PM

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

Jonathan Ganz February 2nd 06 06:38 PM

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In article ,
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Thus, you have no idea what you're talking about. Ever been to Mexico?
They bargin like crazy and expect it. Are they Jews?


As do Arabs and many other cultures. I didn't say that Jews were the only
bargainers in the world or even the best or most fervent. I merely pointed out
that bargaining is implicite in their religion.


It is NOT implicit in their religion. If so, please show us some
references to this in the Talmud or Torah.

It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

No, it is not, because Jews do not comprise a "race". Nor is it derogatory (you
must have a streak of antisemetism in you that you're ashamed of to think it
is). I know may non-Jews who proudly brag about 'Jewing' others down. Some of
them wisely keep a 'Jew Book' - a record of their income & expenditures.


Well, I really don't care what you think. It's clearly derogatory, and
I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut when in certain crowds, as
you would surely be stompted into unconsciousness for your comment.

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Jonathan Ganz February 2nd 06 06:42 PM

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In article ,
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.


Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Jonathan Ganz February 2nd 06 06:43 PM

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In article ,
katy wrote:
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote


By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.


Most? Maybe in NYC but not in the real world. Judaism is a culture and
religion. Most Jews today are of European stock having lost their semetism by
intermarriage over the millenia.

Denegrates? How about honors?? In a culture that values one's ability to
bargain, having that ability called by the name of your culture would seem a
compliment to me. It is only perjorative in the mind of somebody who thinks
that bargaining is dishonorable .... somebody like you????


Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.


Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)


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Capt. Rob February 2nd 06 07:17 PM

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Oy are there! Good lord guess you never heard about the diamond market
here, they are all Jews. They even have thoses silly pony tails and
flat rimmed black hats.

RB
35s5
NY


carl February 2nd 06 11:28 PM

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Mys Terry wrote:

There are more Jews in NYC than in Israel.


Bill is such a dumbass. There are about 5.5 million Jews in Israel,
less than 2 million in NYC.

carl February 2nd 06 11:31 PM

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Mys Terry wrote:

There are more Jews in NYC than in Israel.


Bill is such a dumbass. There are about 5.5 million Jews in Israel,
less than 2 million in NYC.

Capt. Rob February 3rd 06 12:39 AM

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He's not jewish, can not count correctly.

RB
35s5
NY


carl February 3rd 06 02:59 AM

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Bill the dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:31:32 -0500, carl wrote:


Mys Terry wrote:

There are more Jews in NYC than in Israel.



Bill is such a dumbass. There are about 5.5 million Jews in Israel,
less than 2 million in NYC.



You are incorrect. If you would like to try and prove otherwise, please feel
free to knock your stupid self out.


OK **** for brains, how about this:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../usjewpop.html

Numerous estimates have the Jewish population of Israel at over 5 mil
in 2000, and growing fairly fast due to migration from former Soviet
states. Its now estimated that there are more Jews in Israel than the US.

Capt. JG February 3rd 06 04:03 AM

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Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

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"carl" wrote in message
om...
Bill the dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:31:32 -0500, carl wrote:


Mys Terry wrote:

There are more Jews in NYC than in Israel.



Bill is such a dumbass. There are about 5.5 million Jews in Israel, less
than 2 million in NYC.



You are incorrect. If you would like to try and prove otherwise, please
feel
free to knock your stupid self out.


OK **** for brains, how about this:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../usjewpop.html

Numerous estimates have the Jewish population of Israel at over 5 mil in
2000, and growing fairly fast due to migration from former Soviet states.
Its now estimated that there are more Jews in Israel than the US.




Bob Crantz February 3rd 06 04:17 AM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.


That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!



Capt. JG February 3rd 06 04:30 AM

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How do you know?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.


That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!




Capt. JG February 3rd 06 04:42 AM

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Maybe you should talk to some people at this organization...

http://www.jpfo.org/jewsandguncontrol.htm

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
How do you know?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!






carl February 3rd 06 01:18 PM

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Capt. JG wrote:
Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

Are you claiming Mys Terry is NOT binary bill, the asshole of the
internet?

Vito February 3rd 06 01:50 PM

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"katy" wrote
Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.


No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll. I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.



Vito February 3rd 06 01:59 PM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)

Plains Indians believed that the way someone thought about or saw anything said
more about him than his opinion said about the subject. That is obviously true
in our case. You see a perjorative where I see a compliment. Why do you think
ascribing something to Jews (or anybody ese) is perjorative whilst I see the
same thing as complimentary? Do you think that calling someone a Jew denegrates
that person? Do you think ascribing a skill to a cultural group denegrates
them? I do not.



Vito February 3rd 06 02:06 PM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?


Absolutely! Not only do I believe it - I know it for a fact. EVERYBODY who
lives in Kansas, or anywhere else, is different than people who live in NYC,
Jewish or not. NYC's unnatural environment warps ones sensibilities and thought
processes. Remember, when most Americans hear "NYC" they think "Get a rope".



Vito February 3rd 06 02:14 PM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
It is NOT implicit in their religion. If so, please show us some
references to this in the Talmud or Torah.


I just showed where it is. That' what startd the discussion. Is Abraham
important in Jewish history? Did he not bargain God himself down from 50 to 5
souls?

Well, I really don't care what you think. It's clearly derogatory, and
I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut when in certain crowds, as
you would surely be stompted into unconsciousness for your comment.

In NYC, the land where words speak louder than action? Bwahahahaha. Not a
chance. If I go to Boston I go via Minnisota to avoid the filthy place.



Vito February 3rd 06 02:27 PM

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"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3 little pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a big limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a gun in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig, what was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....



Vito February 3rd 06 02:36 PM

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"Dave" wrote
Actually, I think Vito has it backwards. In much of the world, haggling is
normal and expected. However, the new testament is laced with unfavorable
references to the rich, and injunctions to abjure money-getting and refrain
from demonstrations of wealth. As a result, it's us Christians who seem to
be out of the mainstream.


I do not have it backward, Bobby does. I agree completely with the rest of your
statement. I merely say that in a world of bargainers being known as the best
is, or should be a compliment. "Jew down" is tactic recognition that Jews are
the best. I'm sorry if any Jews are offended by it -- they shouldn't be.



katy February 3rd 06 03:05 PM

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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote

Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.



No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll. I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.


Even though his skills may have been admirable, I highly doubt, IMO,
that he would have appreciated your use of the term to describe his
efforts.

katy February 3rd 06 03:07 PM

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?



Absolutely! Not only do I believe it - I know it for a fact. EVERYBODY who
lives in Kansas, or anywhere else, is different than people who live in NYC,
Jewish or not. NYC's unnatural environment warps ones sensibilities and thought
processes. Remember, when most Americans hear "NYC" they think "Get a rope".


Here we think "OMG, will Bobbie never go away?"

Bob Crantz February 3rd 06 03:50 PM

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A great group, I know of them.




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Maybe you should talk to some people at this organization...

http://www.jpfo.org/jewsandguncontrol.htm

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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How do you know?

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!








carI February 3rd 06 04:02 PM

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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:18:55 -0500, carl wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

Are you claiming Mys Terry is NOT binary bill, the asshole of the
internet?


And don't try to start claiming that I'm not me either!

carI

Capt.Mooron February 3rd 06 04:29 PM

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Like my Lebanese Buddy told me last week after negotiations with a friend of
his who is a Jew.... "He out- Lebed me and Jewed down the price." Both
the Jew & the Leb seemed okay with that description. Look Dave... you'll
never out-pick a Mexican, out dance a Blackman, out-scruple a Jap, out-smarm
a Frenchman, out-snoot a Brit, out-drink an Irishman... or out-bull**** a
NYC'er.

CM




"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:36:24 -0500, "Vito" said:

I merely say that in a world of bargainers being known as the best
is, or should be a compliment. "Jew down" is tactic recognition that Jews
are
the best. I'm sorry if any Jews are offended by it -- they shouldn't be.


The problem is that implicit in the phrase is the assumption that the
speaker regards haggling as an undesirable trait, and thus intends to
express disapproval of an ethnic group by his use of the phrase. Thus, the
Jew hearing the phrase, probably correctly, assumes that the speaker
intends
to express hostility to those having that trait.

One problem is that the assumption may not be correct in all cases. My
wife,
who is Jewish, takes pride in her ability to hondle. But she was appalled
years ago to hear my grandmother use the phrase "Jew down." Funny thing is
my grandmother had probably never before met a Jew in her life and didn't
view the phrase as an ethnic slur at all. To her, it was a neutral term
for
bargaining over price, although she viewed bargaining over price as not a
desirable thing to do, particularly if she was on the receiving end.

There are all kinds of subtleties here, and great potential for
miscommunication, so it's not a good phrase to use.




Capt. JG February 3rd 06 06:35 PM

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Not just me dude... are you jewish? I doubt it.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)

Plains Indians believed that the way someone thought about or saw anything
said
more about him than his opinion said about the subject. That is obviously
true
in our case. You see a perjorative where I see a compliment. Why do you
think
ascribing something to Jews (or anybody ese) is perjorative whilst I see
the
same thing as complimentary? Do you think that calling someone a Jew
denegrates
that person? Do you think ascribing a skill to a cultural group
denegrates
them? I do not.





Capt. JG February 3rd 06 06:36 PM

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And, I'm saying that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's
derogatory and shameful that anyone would even defend saying it. Learn from
your mistakes.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"katy" wrote
Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.


No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll.
I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary
than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment
district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.





Capt. JG February 3rd 06 06:37 PM

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I am, but that handle is the sockpuppet part. He's a very angry person.

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"carl" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

Are you claiming Mys Terry is NOT binary bill, the asshole of the
internet?




Capt. JG February 3rd 06 06:40 PM

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No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3 little
pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a big
limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a gun
in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the
limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig, what
was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....





Capt. JG February 3rd 06 06:40 PM

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No, you didn't.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
It is NOT implicit in their religion. If so, please show us some
references to this in the Talmud or Torah.


I just showed where it is. That' what startd the discussion. Is Abraham
important in Jewish history? Did he not bargain God himself down from 50
to 5
souls?

Well, I really don't care what you think. It's clearly derogatory, and
I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut when in certain crowds, as
you would surely be stompted into unconsciousness for your comment.

In NYC, the land where words speak louder than action? Bwahahahaha. Not
a
chance. If I go to Boston I go via Minnisota to avoid the filthy place.





carl February 3rd 06 06:44 PM

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Capt. JG wrote:
I am, but that handle is the sockpuppet part. He's a very angry person.

He's a very sick person. Why anyone responds to him is beyond me.


carl February 3rd 06 07:10 PM

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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I am, but that handle is the sockpuppet part. He's a very angry person.


Well, Jonny, it appears that from your highly focused perspective that
anybody who isn't gay like you, is angry. No offence, but maybe usenet
is too rough a place for a sweet nancy such as yourself.

carl



Bob Crantz February 3rd 06 07:21 PM

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Can the same be said about murder?

If one is murdered it's ok?

If a vast group is, then it's not?

So how does one offend a group without offending the members individually?

So you are prejudiced against minorities, especially the smallest one, the
individual?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3 little
pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a
big limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a
gun in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the
limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig, what
was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....







Capt. JG February 3rd 06 07:54 PM

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Err... I think you're the one who did it, which is why I commented. I have
him plonked.

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"carl" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
I am, but that handle is the sockpuppet part. He's a very angry person.

He's a very sick person. Why anyone responds to him is beyond me.




Capt. JG February 3rd 06 07:55 PM

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Play all the semantic games you want. It's offensive, and anyone who does it
is a troubled person.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
Can the same be said about murder?

If one is murdered it's ok?

If a vast group is, then it's not?

So how does one offend a group without offending the members individually?

So you are prejudiced against minorities, especially the smallest one, the
individual?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3 little
pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a
big limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a
gun in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the
limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig,
what was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....









Capt. JG February 3rd 06 07:55 PM

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Is that how you see it?

Take a poll in Israel and see what you find.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:40:26 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.


Nonsense. The vast majority don't give a damn so long as the remark is not
directed at them.

There is always, of course, the small self-righteous PC minority who see
an
offense hiding behind every tree. They're hopeless cases in any event.




carl February 3rd 06 08:46 PM

Bush to build Concentration Camps, Cheney to Profit!
 
Capt. JG wrote:
Err... I think you're the one who did it, which is why I commented. I have
him plonked.

Well, that just proves my point.


Bob Crantz February 3rd 06 10:08 PM

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It's not semantic games, it's conceptual knowledge and reasoning.

How can one offend a group without offending the individual members of a
group?

If a negro calls other negroes the "N" word is that offensive?

I have two very close Jewish friends who, in general, dislike Jews. Yes,
they're both from New York. Are they racist? If I dislike Jews for the same
reason am I a racist?

The error in your reasoning is that you think everyone thinks like you and
you have no consistent standards of what is offensive.

I'm proud to say that I am not prejudiced. I strive to offend everyone
equally.

Amen!




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Play all the semantic games you want. It's offensive, and anyone who does
it is a troubled person.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
Can the same be said about murder?

If one is murdered it's ok?

If a vast group is, then it's not?

So how does one offend a group without offending the members
individually?

So you are prejudiced against minorities, especially the smallest one,
the individual?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

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"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3
little pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a
big limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a
gun in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the
limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig,
what was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....











Capt. JG February 3rd 06 10:30 PM

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Which one is that?

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"carl" wrote in message
om...
Capt. JG wrote:
Err... I think you're the one who did it, which is why I commented. I
have him plonked.

Well, that just proves my point.




Capt. JG February 3rd 06 10:31 PM

Bush to build Concentration Camps, Cheney to Profit!
 
No it's a game you like to play.

The error in your reasoning is that you think that playing games is the end
all and be all of existence and that civility has no place.

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
It's not semantic games, it's conceptual knowledge and reasoning.

How can one offend a group without offending the individual members of a
group?

If a negro calls other negroes the "N" word is that offensive?

I have two very close Jewish friends who, in general, dislike Jews. Yes,
they're both from New York. Are they racist? If I dislike Jews for the
same reason am I a racist?

The error in your reasoning is that you think everyone thinks like you and
you have no consistent standards of what is offensive.

I'm proud to say that I am not prejudiced. I strive to offend everyone
equally.

Amen!




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Play all the semantic games you want. It's offensive, and anyone who does
it is a troubled person.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
Can the same be said about murder?

If one is murdered it's ok?

If a vast group is, then it's not?

So how does one offend a group without offending the members
individually?

So you are prejudiced against minorities, especially the smallest one,
the individual?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3
little pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a
big limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a
gun in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into
the limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig,
what was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....














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