I used to do a lot of back packing. ( PA Blue Mtns. AP Trail) .
My buddy and I would make fun of those with campers and the RV
park crowd. A few years later he bought a camper.
I used to cruise, a week at a time on a Mac 26'. very minimal
accommodations. But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc.

Scotty

..
wrote in message
oups.com...
Once spent 3 weeks aboard with myself, my wife, and two small
kids.
Maybe were just less full o' **** than most. My wife suggested
the
porta-potti. Yes, I did read everything I could find on marine
heads
and replaced the old piping with supposedly impermeable stuff
before
deciding to make the switch. I never have head problems and
never work
on it now. I just haul it ashore every few days when we use
the boat,
no big deal. You have to understand that my wife and I were
always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us. We spent
our
honeymoon (1980) camping for 3 months along the continental
divide in
Colorado and WY. She was finally hurt in a climbing accident
(broken
arm, chunk outa her hip and broken toe but still wanted to
camp. We
finally gave it up and went back to civilization when the snow
was
collapsing the tent every night. AND that was just the
beginning so
you can see that having the luxury of a porta-potti and real
drinkable
water aboard seems like the Hilton by comparison. My daughters
dont
seem to mind the porta-potti either (19 and 9.)

Scotty wrote....

"But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc. and I wanted
these things more than a boat that was well built or capable of any
real performance. Luckily companies like Siedleman, US Yachts and Mac
cater to my motor home mentality."


RB
35s5...the boat that does it all.
NY

On 11 Jan 2006 15:50:31 -0800, wrote:

Years ago when I bought my boat used, it came with a marine head and
unused holding tank. I forget what brand the head was except that it
was the highest rated one by Practical Sailor. I hated it. No matter
what I did, replacing all hoses, rinsing it, etc, it stank and so did
the boat. I spent more time working on it than all other boat systems
put together. One day in a fit of "I'm gonna simplify my life", I took
it out, wired the thru-hulls shut and replaced it with a porta-potti.
Then I carried that damned thing around in my truck for awhile till a
sailing buddy saw it and asked about it and I gave it to him. I then
gave the holding tank to someone else. Now, both of these people still
act as if I had done them some huge favor when all I wanted to do was
get rid of it. So, for getting rid of the smell of **** and gaining
some storage space, they think I am a great friend, best investment I
ever made.
After 2 porta-pottis, I am still very happy I did this and my boating
life is much easier and less smelly.

I chased a smell that I kept blaming on the head. Nothing I did to the
head could keep it from being there if I closed up the boat for a few
weeks. Turned out it wasn't from the head at all. Each bilge access
plate was for a different bilge compartment and although when a
certain level was reached they would drain back to the lowest point,
each would hold a small amount of bilge water. I would pump my bilge
before leaving the boat but that very small amount of stagnant water
would cause the most foul odor to build up. I took to dropping about
a quarter teaspoon lysol in each bilge compartment before I left the
boat and the problem was solved.

Frank

Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Honestly...I'm tired. Spending a lot of time with Thomas and I'm
grateful for it, but he's tireless and I'm not. Suzanne went to sleep
at 8:00 and I'm only up because my buddy is bringing my radar system
over and a new grill.


I'd recommend a puppy for Thomas... or a brother/sister to play with.
Personally... I'd go with the puppy if I were you. Something Thomas can
smack around... like a Lasa Ahpso. It would serve a duel purpose and doesn't
require much space...... plus you can use it to polish and buff the new
boat this spring.

CM


Beg to differ...Lhasas are not good with children in general (there
are of course exceptions) And because they are brachiocephalic,
their bite is quite severe. A bichon or some other daisy dog type
would be a better apartment dwelling dog but would still enjoy
sailing. Unless you meant that the dog should eat Thomas and then
Bob wouldn't be tired anymore?

"katy" wrote in message

Beg to differ...Lhasas are not good with children in general (there are of
course exceptions) And because they are brachiocephalic, their bite is
quite severe. A bichon or some other daisy dog type would be a better
apartment dwelling dog but would still enjoy sailing. Unless you meant
that the dog should eat Thomas and then Bob wouldn't be tired anymore?

Well it would have to be a tiny fluffy lap dog.... fluffy so it could do
double duty as a hull buffer. Maybe a miniature poodle..... bet those
things would put a fine sheen on a coat of wax if spun at 400 rpm.

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Your boat also has an interior that is original and holding up well.
That is like a luxury for Mooron,

....and the owner of a Plastic & Veneer Palace speaks about real wood fit.

BTW- The only refit to any wood was to rip out my galley and replace it with
a stainless steel one. Wood has no place in a galley..... not that you'd
have any concern about an excess of timber on your lightly wood-accented
pretend teak.... VENEER !!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa...

CM

I used to get airlift by helicopter into heavily forested boreal areas
inaccessible by other means to undertake geotechnical sampling and testing
for weeks at a time.
You were talking about 500 miles from the nearest settlement ...

No trails or paths. No help or possibility of rescue unless you made it back
to camp to access your radio. Camp was often 20 miles away. I'd carry 60lb
sample bags to predetermined clearings for eventual pick-up.

They wondered why I insisted on carrying my Mossberg .12ga and never knew I
also packed a .44 Dan Wesson Handgun under my jacket.

CM

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I used to do a lot of back packing. ( PA Blue Mtns. AP Trail) .
My buddy and I would make fun of those with campers and the RV
park crowd. A few years later he bought a camper.
I used to cruise, a week at a time on a Mac 26'. very minimal
accommodations. But we loved it. As I got older I wanted more
room, a decent stove, a real head, stand up room, etc.

Scotty

.
wrote in message
oups.com...
Once spent 3 weeks aboard with myself, my wife, and two small
kids.
Maybe were just less full o' **** than most. My wife suggested
the
porta-potti. Yes, I did read everything I could find on marine
heads
and replaced the old piping with supposedly impermeable stuff
before
deciding to make the switch. I never have head problems and
never work
on it now. I just haul it ashore every few days when we use
the boat,
no big deal. You have to understand that my wife and I were
always
outdoors fanatics so the boat is like luxury to us. We spent
our
honeymoon (1980) camping for 3 months along the continental
divide in
Colorado and WY. She was finally hurt in a climbing accident
(broken
arm, chunk outa her hip and broken toe but still wanted to
camp. We
finally gave it up and went back to civilization when the snow
was
collapsing the tent every night. AND that was just the
beginning so
you can see that having the luxury of a porta-potti and real
drinkable
water aboard seems like the Hilton by comparison. My daughters
dont
seem to mind the porta-potti either (19 and 9.)

I admit, I have gotten whimpy in my old (49) age and have given up back
packing, too many "death marches". Had to give up serious caving too
because I get dehydrated withiut knowing it and it nearly kills me. I
actually considered a pop-up camper but my wife nearly gave me hell for
that cuz she loves the tent.
We hated the original pressurized alchohol stove so much that I took it
out. She wanted to try cooking on sterno so I modified the burner
plate stand-offs. Now, we just drop a large size sterno down into the
old burner well and cook. This works better than you'd think as it
traps the heat much better than most sterno cookers. We've done a lot
of simple (read camping style food) meals on it. I decided that I
really do not like methanol stoves as the stuff burns with sucha clear
flame that it seems dangerous.

Stoves????? What friggin' kind of KOA camping are you guys doing???

Camping to me is heading out into the wilds with minimal provisions,
sleeping gear and weapons. I cook over an fire and don't pack much in the
way of food except for basics like flour, sugar. salt. lard/margarine,
baking powder, onions, rice, garlic, coffee, tea and some spices. One
carbon steel frying pan and a 1 quart pot, 2 metal cups and fork, spoon and
chopsticks.

A gourmet meal can be made if you know what is edible and are familiar with
your environment.. With the above gear I have bread and can cook whatever I
harvest or kill. I can easily survive for a month with minimal supplies in
remote regions. I can .... because I have bothered to practice ... start a
fire without matches or lighter/ magnifying glass etc.

I can make my location extremely visible or disappear completely. I take
rope. monofilament fishing line and brass wire for fishing &snares as well
as a reloader with powder, bullets and primers for my guns since it takes
half the space as commercial ammo. A tarp is always packed for rain.

BTW - I'm 50 years old and can still do a 2 hour snorkel/ spearfishing run
in the North Atlantic waters.

I think most Americans are Pussies..... Gilligan excluded.... he's a
Mountain Man.

CM


wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit, I have gotten whimpy in my old (49) age and have given up back
packing, too many "death marches". Had to give up serious caving too
because I get dehydrated withiut knowing it and it nearly kills me. I
actually considered a pop-up camper but my wife nearly gave me hell for
that cuz she loves the tent.
We hated the original pressurized alchohol stove so much that I took it
out. She wanted to try cooking on sterno so I modified the burner
plate stand-offs. Now, we just drop a large size sterno down into the
old burner well and cook. This works better than you'd think as it
traps the heat much better than most sterno cookers. We've done a lot
of simple (read camping style food) meals on it. I decided that I
really do not like methanol stoves as the stuff burns with sucha clear
flame that it seems dangerous.

"Capt.Mooron" wrotein
remote regions. I can .... because I have bothered to practice
.... start a
fire without matches or lighter/ magnifying glass etc.

BFD, My Boy Scout Troop NEVER used matches ( My policy).

These are little kids, Mooron!

Scotty