If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more
serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a
long time
afterward, but no one died. ...


It's happened on the LIS a few times. People go over in cold water, but
on a calm day and can't get back on board. It's a really sad way to
go....a swim platform or at least a reachable ladder can save a life.
I've heard that in some cases at night it was call of nature, but it's
generally a word of mouth story. I doubt families would be interested
in releasing such a detail.

RB
35s5
NY

Come on Bob. If you're going to troll, at least try and sound reasonable.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

In your case, I'm sure that's true.

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in
the
middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their
pants
unzipped.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded
a
boat from the water using a swim platform?


Last summer we had our first exposure to swim platforms on three boats:
A Catalina 400, Catalina 34 and the 35s5. I did not swim off the 35s5,
but others did. We really liked it and it's an obvious bonus for kids.
Suzanne said it was the best spot on the boat, letting her feet drag in
the water (slowing us down). I don't know about that, but it's
certainly a fun feature for swimming and feeding the ducks. On the 400
we boarded from a dinghy and WOW! was that ever easier, even in chop.
After a season with the boat I'll let you know how much use it got.

RB
35s5...and a hell of nice swim platform!
NY

You all need to defer to Commode Joe's expertise on the subject of unzipped
flies.

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:59:04 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
wrote:

Thanks Gary,

I was just about to post the same thing about the " unzipped fly myth."




It's almost certain that if you are ever a MOB, you'll be recovered with
your
zipper down, Thom.

Meanwhile, when I was much younger, I had two occasions where I had to
pull
somebody back onboard while at anchor because they fell overboard while
answering the call of nature. It's a pretty common accident, although it
isn't
always a fatality. If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more
serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a long
time
afterward, but no one died.

There is no way to say it is a myth, since I doubt there is a central
record
kept. I think it's extremely safe to say it has happened many times, and
some
times it has been fatal. I know of one case in Stamford, CT that was a
fatality,
so that automatically takes it out of the "myth" category. The guy was a
liveaboard, and it was early spring. He was alone and the water was so
cold that
he ran out of steam before being able to rescue himself. His fly was open
when
he was recovered.







Commodore Joe Redcloud

You really need to take a long look at your life and where it went so
wrong. You
are one of the most habitually hostile people I have ever encountered
in usenet.
That's quite an accomplishment.


Oh, C'mon! Look at poor Sloco. That poor guy is so angry it's comical.
Ganzy gets ****ed from time to time, but he's an okay fella.

RB
35s5...a calm boat
NY

Yeah, it's all me. I mean, it's all you. Whatever.. you're a joke.

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:56:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

In your case, I'm sure that's true.

You really need to take a long look at your life and where it went so
wrong. You
are one of the most habitually hostile people I have ever encountered in
usenet.
That's quite an accomplishment.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Here's a portion of Commode Joe's session with his therapist...

Commode says, "Hey doc, you know how we have been talking about Freudian
slips? Well, I had the
most amazing one last night. I was eating dinner with my mother, and I
meant to say, `please pass the salt,' but instead I said, `You ****ing
bitch, you ruined my life.'"

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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:57:16 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You all need to defer to Commode Joe's expertise on the subject of
unzipped
flies.

You are a very angry person Jon. Get help.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Just to follow up... check the latest Cruising World. There's a discussion
about MOBs, but the point of interest for you would be the pictures of the
Beneteau 393 with swim platform. They're practiciing MOBs and picking them
up on the side in very modest conditions.

The method discussed in the text highlighted picking people up on the beam
on the leeward side.

In the recent MOB symposium out here, every senior instructor present,
without exception, used the side of the boat for recovery. In fact, one of
the guys was asked about swim platforms, and he said that's what they should
be used for "not for MOBs, no way, don't do it."

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:59:04 -0800, (Thom Stewart) wrote:


Thanks Gary,

I was just about to post the same thing about the " unzipped fly myth."





It's almost certain that if you are ever a MOB, you'll be recovered with your
zipper down, Thom.

Meanwhile, when I was much younger, I had two occasions where I had to pull
somebody back onboard while at anchor because they fell overboard while
answering the call of nature. It's a pretty common accident, although it isn't
always a fatality. If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more
serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a long time
afterward, but no one died.

There is no way to say it is a myth, since I doubt there is a central record
kept. I think it's extremely safe to say it has happened many times, and some
times it has been fatal. I know of one case in Stamford, CT that was a fatality,
so that automatically takes it out of the "myth" category. The guy was a
liveaboard, and it was early spring. He was alone and the water was so cold that
he ran out of steam before being able to rescue himself. His fly was open when
he was recovered.







Commodore Joe Redcloud
I think they fall over and as they see their life flashing before their
eyes they figure they have one more wank.