"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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NEVER EVER did I post such a thing, Jonathan. I like the swim platform
mainly because they are a ton of fun, especially for the kids.


Kids really don't like playing in water over their heads until they are
SEVERAL years old. So how are you going to back that pig up to the shore?

Are you going to tow them in some type of tube behind the boat?

Amen!

Ok. I stand corrected. However, claiming that it has been used again and
again to "save lives" is a gross exaggeration.

I don't think it's silly at all. It seems like a pretty important
discussion... especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all but
the most benign conditions.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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But, what you're saying is that this option was a prime consideration
in
your purchase of your boat because of its safety feature.


NEVER EVER did I post such a thing, Jonathan. I like the swim platform
mainly because they are a ton of fun, especially for the kids.
In fact...in every response to you I've stated that in NO WAY is the
platform a prime safety feature. Yet history shows it has been used
again and again to save lives and obviously many times not recorded.
It's silly to argue otherwise. No one is suggesting the platform be
used instead of SOP, only that a swim platform COULD and HAS been a
viable option. That gives a 35s5 one more way to save a life in
experienced hands.

Hate to tell you, but I'm dead right... the link below describes a
trawler,
not a sailboat. He also used a lifesling.

This is getting pretty silly. Trawler, sailboat or Multihull....the
swim platform CAN and HAS saved lives. Using it with a lifesling
doesn't mean they were able to get the victim aboard without the
platform. Clearly they did what worked, which meant using the sling
COMBINED with the platform.
You're just not making any sense. It's as if you're pretending that I'm
saying the platform is the best MOB device, which I never said or
implied anywhere. You can't argue with history. Or you can...but not
with me.

Here's another rescue...keep in mind that the swim platform should
never be used during a passive recovery of course.

http://www.ussailing.org/safety/Resc...01_erie_oh.htm

History, Jonathan. The swim platform HAS saved lives. Is it the best
course of action? No one has said that it is.

Hell...the swim platform can even save your dog!!!!

http://www.pembrokecorgi.org/art_boating.html



RB
35s5...the safer boat
NY

especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all
but
the most benign conditions.


Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths.
So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come
in handy...which is all I ever said.
Still, I know someone who would have died without one.

RB
35s5
NY

Kids really don't like playing in water over their heads until they are

SEVERAL years old.


Ever hear of flotation devices and water swimming aids for children?
Ever see toddler and infant swimming lessons? The water is over their
heads. My best friend's 1 year old daughter had a blast in deep water
last summer.
Stop making dumb stuff up!
You were right about the Sea lions though.

RB
35s5
NY

But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all
but
the most benign conditions.


Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths.
So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come
in handy...which is all I ever said.
Still, I know someone who would have died without one.

RB
35s5
NY

But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote:


But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.


Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in the
middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants
unzipped.


Commodore Joe Redcloud
Urban myth!

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:01:09 GMT, Gary wrote:


Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:46:32 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote:



But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.


Actually a very large number of MOB's happen in very quiet conditions in the
middle of the night. A lot of drowned sailors are recovered with their pants
unzipped.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Urban myth!


Not at all.


Commodore Joe Redcloud
Find an authority that makes the "open fly" claim. It's pure bull.

Hey Nutsy,

Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded a
boat from the water using a swim platform?



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Thanks Gary,

I was just about to post the same thing about the " unzipped fly myth."



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