Are your bitter ends adjustable for your jiggers? If not how can you
sheet in that last hard bit on all tacks?

Joe

Oh never mind...I see you said halyards..not sheets

Joe

"DSK" wrote in message
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BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.

Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but there
was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack. Sheeted to windward it
was great for beam to broad reaching. Sheeted to the lee rail it could be
sailed to weather, but it really didn't help much.

Max

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

Between the main and mizzen mast?
http://www.tallshipstacoma.com/images/ships/oriole.jpg



Gary wrote:

The small stripped sail between the mizzen and main is the mizzen
staysail. It's kind of an assymetric for the mizzen. The tack
normally goes inboard of the main as far windward as possible. The
clew sheets to the end of the mizzen boom. It is only useful between
90 and 135 degrees off the wind. It has to be dropped for each tack
or gybe.

In this picture it is hoisted wrong.


I wondered about that from the dimensions of the foot & leach, plus the
stripes on sails usually go the other way!

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.

I was taught that a mizzen ballooner sheeted to the mizzen boom was a
"Dutchman's britches"... we had several of these type sails on a
Navy-owned ketch at NTC Great Lakes, but none of them set properly no
matter where we sheeted them. I suspect they were made for a different
boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Wake up Doug, it's not upside down, it's outboard of the main boom. It
should be inboard.

The best they can do is about 60 degrees upwind then they get in the way
of sheeting the main.

Gaz

Joe wrote:
Are your bitter ends adjustable for your jiggers? If not how can you
sheet in that last hard bit on all tacks?

Joe

The jiggers on the sheets are on the turning blocks not the bitter ends.
The jiggers on the halyards are on the bitter ends.

BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.


Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline,
not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind
sails were sheeted a bit closer to centerline than
headsails, obviously hardening the sail flat to the
centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:
Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but there
was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.

On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be
down the companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it
was great for beam to broad reaching. Sheeted to the lee rail it could be
sailed to weather, but it really didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going
hard on the wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have
given me the impression that except under rare & ideal
conditions, the mizzen staysail is more for looks and to
keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they
generally sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.



Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline, not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind sails were
sheeted a bit closer to centerline than headsails, obviously hardening
the sail flat to the centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:

Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but
there was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.


On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be down the
companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it was great for beam to broad reaching.
Sheeted to the lee rail it could be sailed to weather, but it really
didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going hard on the
wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have given me the impression
that except under rare & ideal conditions, the mizzen staysail is more
for looks and to keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot. When
running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail with the
stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when the centre
of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the stays'l
comes down.
It can be tacked anywhere (windward or leeward) but I use the base of
the mainmast. The mizzen boom acts like a spin pole (sorta)
You're right about pointing. We are lucky to see 45 degrees.

Gary wrote:
On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot.

That's pretty good... how fast is the boat going by then?

... When
running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail with the
stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when the centre
of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the stays'l
comes down.

One of the nice things about the rig, lots of options for
balance and shortening down.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Gary wrote:

On Oriole, the staysail is good up to about 15 knots apparent with the
wind on the beam or nearly on the beam. It gives us a knot.


That's pretty good... how fast is the boat going by then?
10 or so.

... When running way off the wind I sometime hand the mizzen and sail
with the stays'l, main and a kite. The boat is less squirrelly when
the centre of effort is moved forward. If the wind come up at all the
stays'l comes down.


One of the nice things about the rig, lots of options for balance and
shortening down.

DSK

Could it not be sheeted to the Mizzen mast partners
if a better place coudl not be found?

"DSK" wrote
BTW there are mizzen staysails that can be used upwind, they generally
sheet to the centerline or close to it. Mari-Cha IV uses one.


Oops... bad typing... I meant 'tacked' to the centerline, not sheeted.

Although the staysails I've seen that were useful upwind sails were
sheeted a bit closer to centerline than headsails, obviously hardening the
sail flat to the centerline wouldn't produce much drive.

Maxprop wrote:
Ours could be sheeted either to the windward or the leeward rail, but
there was nowhere near the centerline to secure the tack.

On many ketches & yawls, the only place to do so would be down the
companionway. Not gonna work too well.

... Sheeted to windward it was great for beam to broad reaching.
Sheeted to the lee rail it could be sailed to weather, but it really
didn't help much.


Agreed, but then two masted rigs don't usually shine going hard on the
wind anway. The ones I've sailed personlly have given me the impression
that except under rare & ideal conditions, the mizzen staysail is more for
looks and to keep the crew busy than to go faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King