November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

Thank you for your September 10, 1999 letter to the Occupational Safety and
Health Administration's (OSHA's) Directorate of Compliance Programs (DCP).
You have questions regarding the applicability of §1910.178(l) Powered
Industrial Truck operator training to "Travel Lift" operators. Your specific
questions have been restated below for clarity.

Questions. What is OSHA's actual position on travel lift training for the
December 1999 deadline? What rule applies?

Response. In your letter, you mention that you have an Acme 25-ton Travel
Lift that is used to lift boats from the water for service. You stated that
the travel lift is inspected yearly in accordance with 29 CFR §1910.179 and
the American National Standard Institute (ANSI) B30.2 Overhead and Gantry
Cranes. In addition, you provided manufacturer's information on a Marine
Travelift Inc., Mobile Boat Hoist which you stated was a typical travel
lift.

Based on the information you provided, a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane." OSHA's Overhead and
gantry crane standard, §1910.179 would be applicable for this type of
equipment. Therefore, the powered industrial truck operator training
standard with the December 1999 training compliance date would not be
applicable.

However, please be advised that 29 CFR 1910.179(b)(8) requires that only
designated personnel be permitted to operate a crane. OSHA defines
designated at 1910.179(a)(35) as:

Selected or assigned by the employer or the employer's representative as
being qualified to perform specific duties [emphasis added].

Because the term "qualified" is not itself defined, OSHA would interpret
"qualified" in light of operator-qualifications provisions of industry
standards such as ANSI B30.2. Although the 1910.178 training requirements do
not apply, you may also find it useful to consult that standard when
developing a training or evaluation program for "travel lift" operators.

Thank you for your interest in occupational safety and health. We hope you
find this information helpful. Please be aware that OSHA's enforcement
guidance is subject to periodic review and clarification, amplification, or
correction. Such guidance could also be affected by subsequent rulemaking.
In the future, should you wish to verify that the guidance provided herein
remains current, you may consult OSHA's website at http://www.osha.gov. If
you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the Office of
General Industry Compliance Assistance at (202) 693-1850.

Sincerely,

Richard E. Fairfax, Director
Directorate of Compliance Programs






"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:52:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:13:48 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:37 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

It isn't?

Scotty


Oi! It's not a crane, potty-scotty. It's called a Travel lift. It does
not fit
the definition of "crane", just like you and gaytex-joe do not fit the
definition of "sailor".


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Well actually it does.
It's covered by the same industrial rules as a crane.


It's technically a hoist, but not a crane. A crane is another type of
hoist.

Cats and dogs have a lot of similarities too, but they are not the same
thing.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with
ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."


Yeah, when the guys at the yard want a boat moved and don't wanted it
confused with the standard crane, they yell out, "Hey, bring the mobile
gantry crane over here!"

Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks, Bob, that was pretty damn funny. But the yards
call them TRAVEL LIFTS, not crains, not even MGC's.

RB
35s5
NY

I just called Minnefords Marina and asked if they had a travel
lift crane. They said YES!

SBV


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not
precise.



EVERY yard calls a travellift a travellift. Cranes are used
for other
things. Face it. You're beat on this point. Proper usage is
understood
usage. Now call a yard and ask them if they have a crain.
Typically
you'll get "yes" if they have one or "Yes, and we also have a
travellift."
Check ANY yard website. The word travellift is ALWAYS used.
NOT CRAIN.

RB
35s5
NY


And the beating shall continue.

"Travellift" is a brand name.

Kleenex is a brand name.
Kleenex is a facial tissue.
Not all facial tissues are Kleenex.

Not all refrigerators are Frigidaires.

Not all tape is Scotch.

Not all software is Microsoft.

A chop saw does not chop.
It is not an axe.

And so it goes with travellift. It's name may have the word
"lift", but in
classification of industrial equipment it is a crane.

Come back if you need more of a beating.

Amen!

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then conclude it
isn't?



That's why the guy had to write for a clarification in the first
place.

It could be the guy is as wrong (and dumb) as you.

Kapow!




Commodore Joe Redcloud©

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with
ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."


Yeah, when the guys at the yard want a boat moved and don't wanted it
confused with the standard crane, they yell out, "Hey, bring the mobile
gantry crane over here!"


What is a standard crane?

In the boat yards I've been in they called them mobile gantry cranes.

When one gets a flat, they say it has a "deflated aerostatic perimeter".

Is your boat yard full of morons, or does it only become full when you walk
in?


Kapow!!!!





Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks, Bob, that was pretty damn funny. But the yards
call them TRAVEL LIFTS, not crains, not even MGC's.

RB
35s5
NY

That's impossible.



"Bob Crantz" wrote

It could be the guy is as wrong (and dumb) as you.

Kapow!




Commode Joe

I do believe the correct title is; "Travel Lift Crane." That for any
knit picker that give a ****.



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http://www.impact-enterprises.com/0319.htm

The beating continues!


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:47:18 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then conclude
it
isn't?


I didn't conclude anything. OSHA stated the fact that it wasn't, or at
the very least, failed to state that it "is".


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

The beating continues!

Is that a wet herring or a carrot you keep slapping him with?

CM

A mackeral!


"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

The beating continues!

Is that a wet herring or a carrot you keep slapping him with?

CM