"Gary" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
Gary said:

Little experience?


Let me help you Gary

That mean NOT MUCH, havent been there, book learned, canada Navy, very
little.

Hopes this helps. Is your native tounge French?

Joe

You are trying very hard. I'll bite.

I get 5000+ miles a year under sail for the last 4 years and I have been
sailing since I could walk. I have about 15 years of seatime under power
in various ships/jobs ranging from BWK to Captain. I have a little
experience. Yesterday I brought my 102' ketch 79 miles through 30+ knot
winds and a snow storm home from Nanaimo to Esquimalt. (under power) No
sails were bent on because she was in a work period. What did you do?

It is our down time now so I have time to play with wanna be's like you
who spend most of your time in front of a computer living vicariously
through guys like me.

My sailing accomplishments are a matter of public record, Google me.

Who are you?

Gary Davis



Gary
Nice Boat ! Sailed on the Spirit of Massashusetts a few years ago, a 125'
schooner out of Boston, sailed to Maine and raced in the Great Scooner Race,
lots of fun!
JB

Joe wrote:
So could you please tell us a bit more about your saiboat?

Do you have a picture?
From other postings here it seems it's a large as a Canada Air Craft
carrier.

Not the Nav now?
Seems your a lifer.... have you made the rank of Capt. yet?
Are you serving aboard a ship?

BTW what ship were you on when you tied outboard the Fat Sam?

Joe


Joe

I am not a Captain but I am the Captain of HMCS Oriole. I was Combat
Officer on HMCS Kootenay when outboard of the Gompers in Korea.

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:20:21 GMT, Gary wrote:

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:33:47 GMT, Gary wrote:


Capt.Mooron wrote:

Heh..... here is the sailcalc comparison between a Sea Sprite 34 & the
Nordica 30. I believe the Nordica 30 has a 180 PHRF. I think the
telling
factor lies in the displacement to LWL which places the Sea Sprite in
the
very heavy cruiser class at over 400.

Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

Nordica 30 25

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

Nordica 30 873


"Maxprop" wrote in message


I'll grant that CCA-type boats were relatively common in the 40s and
50s,
but not today. She never fails to attract compliments and
photographers
like flies every time she's on the water. And at the dock. Her
curving
sheerline and aesthetic overhangs never fail to draw praise and
smiles.


That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat
in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail
with C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind. My
boat
placed second in her class in the Chicago-Mac. Her rating of 190 is a
gift.



The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is
better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.

Max




One of the things you have to remember with designs like the Sea Sprite,
is that they increase waterline length significantly as they heel and
they always heel. If you increase her waterline by 2 feet the D/LWL
drops to 335. 3 feet makes it 290. The Sail Calc numbers are just for
upright boats. Unlike modern boat with fat asses, the older boats were
meant to be sailed on their sides. The old boat I sail has a waterline
length of 63 feet or so but we always sail her on her ear and the water
line is up around 80+ feet. The length on deck is about 96'. Modern
boats gain no WL when heeled and in fact some racers try to heel them in
light airs to reduce wetted area. They are meant to be sailed flat as
they lever the rudders out when heeled excessively. Note the prevalence
of twin rudders lately so sleds don't wipe out as much.


In light wind, the SS34 will not be heeling, just when it needs that
extra
waterline the most. In moderate winds, it heels, making the already
deficient
mast height effectively even lower and the undersized sails catch less
wind.
It's just not a fast boat. In the world of cruiser/racers and
racer/cruisers, it
is a cruiser/cruiser.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

And the problem is?

??? Please try and follow the thread so you will have some context to
help you be part of the conversation.
Commodore Joe Redcloud©
This is what I like about this ng they try to discipline you ! They get off
topic faster than Bobsprits boat gets to the finish line. Its good to see
there is another sailor in this ng.
JB

Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat

You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years. And the almost no mention
of the actually traveling, what the passages were like, or what
repairs might have been needed.

Moreover, there are lots of examples of individual boats making long
passages. Almost any solid production boat can cross oceans,
especially if the take their time and chose weather windows and
company wisely. Your Bene, for instance, did its Atlantic crossing as
part of a large rally. Every larger boat I've owned or sailed a lot
has sisterships that have crossed the Atlantic, and that includes a
Rhodes 18 and a 24 foot Eastwind. And the Galaxy, which I've cruised
on extensively, is said to be the first production glass boat to
circumnavigate.

Webb Chiles certainly proved that small racing boats can be used for
circumnavigations. I got a lecture from him when, not realizing who
he was, I commented that his one tonner looked rather sea worthy for a
smaller boat. ("Well, this one, and another like it, have taken me
around the world a few times ...")

More interesting is the percentage of a given design that have been
chosen for passagemaking. I've heard claims for both Prout and
Valiant as having done the most circumnavigations. And its gotten to
the point where larger boats are manufactured away from their markets,
and then delivered on their own bottoms. Almost every charter cat in
the Caribbean has done an Atlantic crossing.

And of course, there's the question of how many people gave up their
plans after the first passage, and what type of boat they had. It
would be interesting to find out whats for sale in those spots where
some folks pack it in, such as Panama.

Here's a partial list of circumnavigators from the West Coast.
http://www.latitude38.com/features/circumnav.htm

Bwahahahahahahahaaa.... Good Grief what a dork you are!

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message "Captain
Woody" recently completed a series of monthly installments in
Lattitudes & Attitudes about his circumnavigation in a Cal 33. In one
installment he wrote that in grinding behind the keel to repair a
crack, he accidentally went all the way through! He glassed it back up
and continued his cruise.


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

Nice Boat and Duty!

I hear the Kootenay is in Mexico waiting to become a reef in the Grand
Caymen islands.

Is HMCS Oriole a ship of the line?
You and I both joined the military the same year.

Do you want to command a war ship?

What kinda speed will the Oriole make?

Joe

"Gary" wrote

It is our down time now so I have time to play with wanna be's
like you
who spend most of your time in front of a computer living
vicariously
through guys like me.

My sailing accomplishments are a matter of public record,
Google me.

Who are you?

Gary, try not to be so hard on Joe, he's actually a good guy and
a sailor, but, he's from Texas.

Scotty

But do you have your own boat, or do you just run one for Her Majesty?

Lets See When 16 I entered the US Navy on served on a ship that had
women that you canooks drulled over, at 21 was the youngest 1000 ton
freight and towing master in the USA (USMM Master Ticket 607529) at the
time. I have my own boat and take it damn where I want to take her ,and
not where my superiors tell me to take her, And I do it when I want to
do it.

As a Captain and Master I've commanded 120 footers to 360 footers from
1100 HP to 25,000 hp. One year working for Mobil I logged 47,450 miles
carrying crew and supplies, I've towed items larger than any ship in
your navy.

My office is aboard, and I live aboard a 42 ft Ketch named RedCloud. I
own 2 internet and communication bussinesses that allow me the leasure
time to enjoy this fine sailing forum, Your life of servatude and low
wages is nothing I would want to live vicariously or any other way.

Welcome to ASA Captain.

Joe

You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years.

Jeff, are you so dumb you can't nav a website either? That website had
many many pages of pics where that 35s5 had sailed to. Far, far, far
more t han your PDQ has or ANY PDQ I googled up. In addition to that
the Beneteau website is filled with First series boats making long
passages. Beneteau's make more ocean passages than all of the Island
Packets, PDQs and Pacific Seacrafts combined.
The sad thing is that you probably know this, but continue to troll
with lies. Why? I've told the truth about the PDQ based on your own
comments and actually being aboard one. On the other hand, you've never
sailed my boat and can only draw made-up conclusions in the face of
reality. While you are fond of saying my time on the PDQ is a "lie" I
never said anything really bad about the boat, now did I. We just found
it dull to sail...a 100% subjective comment obviously shared by many
others who prefer monohulls.
Get over it, dude. I don't like your boat. You already said you liked
mine, then tried to backpedal. You're like a two year old!

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years.

Jeff, are you so dumb you can't nav a website either? That website had
many many pages of pics where that 35s5 had sailed to.

Sorry. Their last listed landfall was Turkey. You get credit for a
full circumnavigation, not a partial. I have little doubt that it
could, but I think they might have mentioned if they had. Moreover,
you refer to this as a "family cruise" when in fact its two young
guys. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Far, far, far
more t han your PDQ has or ANY PDQ I googled up. In addition to that
the Beneteau website is filled with First series boats making long
passages. Beneteau's make more ocean passages than all of the Island
Packets, PDQs and Pacific Seacrafts combined.

I'd be curious to know where you get that number from, but isn't it
true that Beneteau is the largest manufacturer, and might have made 10
times the number of boats as these builders? What counts then is the
percentage of their boats that have done ocean passages, and on that
count there are a large number that exceed Bene, including PDQ. About
a quarter of the PDQ 36's have been to Bermuda. In fact, there's an
annual rally there that attracts 6% of the fleet. Several have crossed
the Atlantic. Several are in South America now. Since only 99 were
built, it doesn't take many to be a significant percentage. And you
could say the same for a number of other brands.


The sad thing is that you probably know this, but continue to troll
with lies.

Gee, in my previous post I supported your claim that any reasonably
built boat can make a passage. In many cases, people do passages in
the boat they have; they don't often have the luxury of buying purpose
built passagemakers. Are you telling us that someone with unlimited
funds would pick a 35s5 as his first choice?

So why don't you explain to use why some people pick other boats. Why
do Caliber, and Pacific Seacraft, and Island Packet, and Valiant, and
PDQ and a host of other brands command prices double and triple your boat?

Why? I've told the truth about the PDQ based on your own
comments and actually being aboard one.

Sorry Bob. You are an admitted pathological Liar. Your sudden claim
that you sailed one last summer doesn't hold much water.


On the other hand, you've never
sailed my boat and can only draw made-up conclusions in the face of
reality.

I've never sailed your boat, but we've been on board. You don't hear
me talking about the good laugh we have whenever we see a Beneteau.
Ooops, sorry.

While you are fond of saying my time on the PDQ is a "lie" I
never said anything really bad about the boat, now did I. We just found
it dull to sail...a 100% subjective comment obviously shared by many
others who prefer monohulls.

And not shared by others. There's no doubt there's a very subjective
value judgment here. And frankly, I've never really tried to convince
people the cats are better the monohulls; I've only tried to set the
record straight on certain misconceptions. If too many people bought
cats, I've have trouble getting a slip!

Get over it, dude. I don't like your boat. You already said you liked
mine,

Now who's lying? When did I say that?

then tried to backpedal. You're like a two year old!

I only said it was a good choice for you. A better boat would be a
waster of money.


RB
35s5 - good enough for a boob
NY