Now that we all truly know that my 35s5 is the best performance boat
here I will not rate the "looks" of everyone's boat!!!! Interiors are
also factored in.

Best looking racer/cruisers:
Beneteau 33.7 and 35s5 TIED. 33.7 has slightly more modern exterior.
35s5 has the better interior. Not many of either around so they stand
out.
Kirie Elite 32 (not terrible looking, dated interior. Rare.
Express 30: Depressingly dated design above and below deck. Most of the
bad looks are due to the boxy hard looking cabin trunk. Very rare boat,
that's easy to mistake for a C&C, though most C&Cs look better.

Best looking cruisers:
Nordica 30: She may be cheap, but she's pretty.
Gulf 29: PH boats are just too cool for school. Maybe this should be #1
Joe's Steel whatever: She may be slow and a powersailer, but she's got
character.
Bart's Boat: I forget what it is. It's a never ending project. It has
nice lines.
Siedleman 30: Better looking than Catalina and Hunter. At least there
aren't thousands passing by every hour.
Catalina 28: Like the owner, devoid of character, but not offensive.
PDQ 36: I thought this would be the winner for ugly boat, but...
Ozzy's Cat: Yep worse looking than the PDQ, especially below.

My pick for best looking boat.....

OLD THOM'S Gulf Pilot House 29

Runner ups: Nordica 30, 33.7 and 35s5

Now, that's the end of it. I don't want to hear no whining and crying!
Congrats Thom! You not only sailed longer than most folks will, but
your last boat was one of class, substance and character.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Now that we all truly know that my 35s5 is the best performance boat
here I will not rate the "looks" of everyone's boat!!!! Interiors are
also factored in.

Best looking racer/cruisers:
Beneteau 33.7 and 35s5 TIED. 33.7 has slightly more modern exterior.
35s5 has the better interior. Not many of either around so they stand
out.
Kirie Elite 32 (not terrible looking, dated interior. Rare.
Express 30: Depressingly dated design above and below deck. Most of the
bad looks are due to the boxy hard looking cabin trunk. Very rare boat,
that's easy to mistake for a C&C, though most C&Cs look better.

Best looking cruisers:
Nordica 30: She may be cheap, but she's pretty.
Gulf 29: PH boats are just too cool for school. Maybe this should be #1
Joe's Steel whatever: She may be slow and a powersailer, but she's got
character.
Bart's Boat: I forget what it is. It's a never ending project. It has
nice lines.
Siedleman 30: Better looking than Catalina and Hunter. At least there
aren't thousands passing by every hour.
Catalina 28: Like the owner, devoid of character, but not offensive.
PDQ 36: I thought this would be the winner for ugly boat, but...
Ozzy's Cat: Yep worse looking than the PDQ, especially below.

My pick for best looking boat.....

OLD THOM'S Gulf Pilot House 29

Runner ups: Nordica 30, 33.7 and 35s5

Now, that's the end of it. I don't want to hear no whining and crying!
Congrats Thom! You not only sailed longer than most folks will, but
your last boat was one of class, substance and character.

You omitted my boat, Bubbles. It's prettier than all the above.

Max

Are you telling me you think this:

http://www.nordicaboats.com/assets/i...k-smlo-opt.jpg

Is a better looking boat than this:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

No disrespect to Moorons boat..... but RedCloud is the better looking
boat all around.
Doug..Notice no hard chines?

Joe

Duh... Yeah!

RedCloud can best be described as "quaint"...

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Are you telling me you think this:

http://www.nordicaboats.com/assets/i...k-smlo-opt.jpg

Is a better looking boat than this:

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg

No disrespect to Moorons boat..... but RedCloud is the better looking
boat all around.
Doug..Notice no hard chines?

Joe

Is a better looking boat than this:


http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg


Redcloud's ports scuttle her looks.

A Sea Sprite 34 is more generic than a Nordic 30 and a slower boat. The
Nordic's stern section makes a bit more timeless.

RB
35s5
NY

So your an ass man....I look at the whole package.

Take a look again at redclouds hull.
http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg
Her fair shape defines TIMELESS. From her hour glass stern to her
clipper bow.. with her full keel and deep board..and her ketch
rigging....she takes the best from the golden age of sail.

Her ports provide a lite airy feel and provide a fine view for dinner
dining below in the salon. They are bullit proof.

Joe

Her ports provide a lite airy feel and provide a fine view for dinner
dining below in the salon. They are bullit proof.


I suspect they need to be. In any case they clash with her lines and
don't go. Perhaps if you could post ANY other pics.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Is a better looking boat than this:


http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/RedCloud.jpg


Redcloud's ports scuttle her looks.

A Sea Sprite 34 is more generic than a Nordic 30

I'll grant that CCA-type boats were relatively common in the 40s and 50s,
but not today. She never fails to attract compliments and photographers
like flies every time she's on the water. And at the dock. Her curving
sheerline and aesthetic overhangs never fail to draw praise and smiles.

and a slower boat.

That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail with
C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind. My boat placed
second in her class in the Chicago-Mac. Her rating of 190 is a gift.

The
Nordic's stern section makes a bit more timeless.

The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.

Max

That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat
in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail
with
C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind.

A Sea Sprite 34 compared to a Catalina 34 is half a ton more with 5
feet less LWL. There really is no way you'll overcome the Catalina's
LWL and lighter weight in a variety of conditions IF she's well sailed
with a clean bottom. On the LIS, the TL Cat is rated at 150.

She never fails to attract compliments and photographers
like flies every time she's on the water.

You must live someplace very unusual. Your boat and boats like it are
as common as flies here. It's funny how people always say "my boat
draws compliments." Hey, my boat one boat of the year in 3 countries
and in Cruising World. Yeah okay, big deal. If YOU like your boat,
that's all that matters. And I only rated people who've had the balls
and confidence to share pics of their boats here.

The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is
better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.


I have a friend who can't get past the looks of my boat or even a
Catalina 30, which is pretty inoffensive in my book. If you only have
an eye for the older stuff that's fine. But Mooron's boat is more
distinctive in shape and a sharper looking boat. If your old Sea Sprite
is in bristol restored shape, I'm sure we'd all like to see pics. How
my swim platform fits into this is a mystery to anyone but you.

RB
35s5
NY

Heh..... here is the sailcalc comparison between a Sea Sprite 34 & the
Nordica 30. I believe the Nordica 30 has a 180 PHRF. I think the telling
factor lies in the displacement to LWL which places the Sea Sprite in the
very heavy cruiser class at over 400.

Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

Nordica 30 25

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

Nordica 30 873


"Maxprop" wrote in message

I'll grant that CCA-type boats were relatively common in the 40s and 50s,
but not today. She never fails to attract compliments and photographers
like flies every time she's on the water. And at the dock. Her curving
sheerline and aesthetic overhangs never fail to draw praise and smiles.

That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail
with C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind. My boat
placed second in her class in the Chicago-Mac. Her rating of 190 is a
gift.


The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.

Max