"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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ive me a website and you'll have photos.


Max, send me a pic of your boat (to ) and I'll post it
so everyone can. See. I'll leave it up until you say to take it down.
Pick a good one.

They're in the (e)mail.

Max

Not my experience. We've have two friends who formerly owned C34s and
one
who currently owns a C36. The 36 is quite a bit faster than the 34s on
all
points of sail, and seems to hold its own against another friend's C42.



Still doesn't make sense. These boats have the same performance
envelopes, so close that the 34 became a top seller over the 36.

RB
35s5
NY

Tom Morris has only sold a handful of Morris 36s. Does that mean it's
not a
successful design as well?


With all due respect, Maxi, the current Robinhood is a semi custom boat
that is using the same hull but is a much higher quality (higher end)
vessel compared to the original Cape Dory 36. The CD was affordable in
her day compared to the higher end Robinhood which was never likely to
sell in high numbers.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Tom Morris has only sold a handful of Morris 36s. Does that mean it's
not a
successful design as well?


With all due respect, Maxi, the current Robinhood is a semi custom boat
that is using the same hull but is a much higher quality (higher end)
vessel compared to the original Cape Dory 36. The CD was affordable in
her day compared to the higher end Robinhood which was never likely to
sell in high numbers.

The hull and deck lay-up schedule of the RH36 is identical to that used by
Cape Dory. Interior appointments may be different, but honestly I haven't
seen them. You are right that it's a semi-custom boat, just like C. E.
Ryder's Sea Sprites and Southern Cross boats were in their day. There isn't
widespread demand for such designs today, so the RHs are built in limited
quantities, and generally on special order with only a boat or two built for
"the showroom." Cape Dorys were mass produced in their production years,
and aren't built today because they couldn't compete with the more modern,
high-volume designs from Catalina and Beneteau, for example. So any Cape
Dory CCA-type design you see today will have to be a Robinhood, and it will
cost a lot more than the same basic boat did years ago. It has more to do
with economies of scale than with quality.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Not my experience. We've have two friends who formerly owned C34s and
one
who currently owns a C36. The 36 is quite a bit faster than the 34s on
all
points of sail, and seems to hold its own against another friend's C42.



Still doesn't make sense. These boats have the same performance
envelopes, so close that the 34 became a top seller over the 36.

I've heard that repeatedly over the years, but it simply doesn't bear out in
practice. Sailing beam to beam at the start, the WK C36 always pulls away
from her shorter WK sisters. I think a lot of the rhetoric about Catalina
boat speed had nothing to do with race results, but rather with C34 owners
who for some reason didn't buy the longer boat. Wishful thinking, in other
words.

Max

I've heard that repeatedly over the years, but it simply doesn't bear
out in
practice. Sailing beam to beam at the start, the WK C36 always pulls
away
from her shorter WK sisters. I think a lot of the rhetoric about
Catalina
boat speed had nothing to do with race results, but rather with C34
owners
who for some reason didn't buy the longer boat. Wishful thinking, in
other
words.

It's just not the case, unless something else is at work...like one's a
fin and ones a wing. The 34 with fin is faster than the 36 with fin.
They have virtually the same waterline, same sail area and beam...but
the 34 is substantially lighter. The 34's more modern underbody gets
credit as well. If the 36 is always pulling away, something is up with
the 34 that you're not aware of.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I've heard that repeatedly over the years, but it simply doesn't bear
out in
practice. Sailing beam to beam at the start, the WK C36 always pulls
away
from her shorter WK sisters. I think a lot of the rhetoric about
Catalina
boat speed had nothing to do with race results, but rather with C34
owners
who for some reason didn't buy the longer boat. Wishful thinking, in
other
words.

It's just not the case, unless something else is at work...like one's a
fin and ones a wing. The 34 with fin is faster than the 36 with fin.
They have virtually the same waterline, same sail area and beam...but
the 34 is substantially lighter. The 34's more modern underbody gets
credit as well. If the 36 is always pulling away, something is up with
the 34 that you're not aware of.

The other issue is that I have no trouble staying with (windward) or beating
(off the wind) C34s--any of them, and we have lots o' them around here. But
I can't stay with my friend's C36 except downwind, and then it's tough.

Max