"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:20:21 GMT, Gary wrote:

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:33:47 GMT, Gary wrote:


Capt.Mooron wrote:

Heh..... here is the sailcalc comparison between a Sea Sprite 34 & the
Nordica 30. I believe the Nordica 30 has a 180 PHRF. I think the
telling
factor lies in the displacement to LWL which places the Sea Sprite in
the
very heavy cruiser class at over 400.

Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

Nordica 30 25

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

Nordica 30 873


"Maxprop" wrote in message


I'll grant that CCA-type boats were relatively common in the 40s and
50s,
but not today. She never fails to attract compliments and
photographers
like flies every time she's on the water. And at the dock. Her
curving
sheerline and aesthetic overhangs never fail to draw praise and
smiles.


That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat
in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail
with C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind. My
boat
placed second in her class in the Chicago-Mac. Her rating of 190 is a
gift.



The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is
better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.

Max




One of the things you have to remember with designs like the Sea Sprite,
is that they increase waterline length significantly as they heel and
they always heel. If you increase her waterline by 2 feet the D/LWL
drops to 335. 3 feet makes it 290. The Sail Calc numbers are just for
upright boats. Unlike modern boat with fat asses, the older boats were
meant to be sailed on their sides. The old boat I sail has a waterline
length of 63 feet or so but we always sail her on her ear and the water
line is up around 80+ feet. The length on deck is about 96'. Modern
boats gain no WL when heeled and in fact some racers try to heel them in
light airs to reduce wetted area. They are meant to be sailed flat as
they lever the rudders out when heeled excessively. Note the prevalence
of twin rudders lately so sleds don't wipe out as much.


In light wind, the SS34 will not be heeling, just when it needs that
extra
waterline the most. In moderate winds, it heels, making the already
deficient
mast height effectively even lower and the undersized sails catch less
wind.
It's just not a fast boat. In the world of cruiser/racers and
racer/cruisers, it
is a cruiser/cruiser.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

And the problem is?

??? Please try and follow the thread so you will have some context to
help you be part of the conversation.
Commodore Joe Redcloud©
This is what I like about this ng they try to discipline you ! They get off
topic faster than Bobsprits boat gets to the finish line. Its good to see
there is another sailor in this ng.
JB