Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You know nothing about the Cal, obviously. It was designed for sailing

on the SF bay, and handles heavy air with out a problem. It's a
relatively dry boat for its size and has a very decent interior, with,
as I said room for three if necessary. Cals have crossed the Pacific
more than a few times.



I've sailed them... they suck and not one Cal 20 has crossed the Pacific. A
Nordica 20 though has crossed the North Atlantic. They are cheap and
worthless as the asking price shows!



Why the heck would I want the weight of an inboard engine on a 20 foot
boat???


WTF are you on about.... it's a 150 lb engine!! It's not like you're
frickin' car-topping you IDIOT!


That's crazy. I suppose the Nordica 20 has 6 foot headroom


You suppose wrong... then again that's no surprise.


also. New ones are wildly expensive... $15K,


You dipstick... they have been out of production since 1985 and average at
about 7K Cdn

whereas you can get a Cal

20 that is near perfect for under $2K.


Because it's a POS!!!

The Cal will kick your butt all

over the bay and back. You wouldn't stand a chance.


I just told you I beat Cal 20s all the time in a full keeler. Those Cal 20s
suck backwash. They are wet, sail poorly and are a poor choice for anything
but a day sail.



Like the Nordica has a modern one.... right, sure.


It's a full keel cut-away forefoot.... did you even go to the site I
indicated?


The Cal's keel was way a head of its time. And, it still performs
better than many newer boats.


What a load of desperate CRAP! It's dated, a slug and useless for anything
but short daysails in very protected waters. A MacGregor 19 is a better boat
than your crappy Cal 20


Ok. Now, it's time for you to make a personal attack....


You're GAY!!


CM


Whoa, fairly hostile and mis-informed. Check out :
http://www.sealsspars.com/classy20footer.html
One has been sailed across the pacific (highly tricked)

In article BMSgf.575467$1i.244687@pd7tw2no,
Gary wrote:
Whoa, fairly hostile and mis-informed. Check out :
http://www.sealsspars.com/classy20footer.html
One has been sailed across the pacific (highly tricked)

I tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen.




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"Gary" wrote in message

Whoa, fairly hostile and mis-informed.

When replying to Ganz... I never allow facts to confuse the truth! :-)

Honestly Gary... when debating anything with Jon he gets temperamental and
throws tantrums like a child...... he has issues and it's useless to stick
to facts, utilize logic or rational. I suggest - Don't stick to the facts...
Just stick it to Ganz!

He reports me to my ISP then when I finally get back on.... follows me
around the newsgroup like a stalker.

Seriously.. why would you desire to undertake a debate with someone who does
nothing but insult you? Yet Ganz refuses to killfile me. Why is that?

CM

Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message


Whoa, fairly hostile and mis-informed.


When replying to Ganz... I never allow facts to confuse the truth! :-)

Honestly Gary... when debating anything with Jon he gets temperamental and
throws tantrums like a child...... he has issues and it's useless to stick
to facts, utilize logic or rational. I suggest - Don't stick to the facts...
Just stick it to Ganz!

He reports me to my ISP then when I finally get back on.... follows me
around the newsgroup like a stalker.

Seriously.. why would you desire to undertake a debate with someone who does
nothing but insult you? Yet Ganz refuses to killfile me. Why is that?

CM


I gather you have issues........
It sounds to me like you haven't been able to successfully argue with
facts so you are resorting to insults. Bring it up a notch. It's not
like you are living together.

"Gary" wrote in message

I gather you have issues........
It sounds to me like you haven't been able to successfully argue with
facts so you are resorting to insults.

Wait a minute Gary... this is ASA... insults are part of the package. I
defended Ganz in the past... I even tried to help him along .... but his
actions went south in a hurry last year. Reporting me was just plain
uncalled for.

Bring it up a notch. It's not
like you are living together.

To who's advantage would that be? Since I haven't responded to any of your
posts in the manner I reply to Ganz... I can't understand why it concerns
you?

Don't take this form too seriously...... it will lead to high blood
pressure.

CM

Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message


I gather you have issues........
It sounds to me like you haven't been able to successfully argue with
facts so you are resorting to insults.


Wait a minute Gary... this is ASA... insults are part of the package. I
defended Ganz in the past... I even tried to help him along .... but his
actions went south in a hurry last year. Reporting me was just plain
uncalled for.

Bring it up a notch. It's not

like you are living together.


To who's advantage would that be? Since I haven't responded to any of your
posts in the manner I reply to Ganz... I can't understand why it concerns
you?

Don't take this form too seriously...... it will lead to high blood
pressure.

CM


Okay???

"Gary" wrote in message

Okay???

BTW - You're in Victoria?.... is there a Dr. D. Kinloch from up Yellowknife
way at your club with a 34 Allberg?? He had a beautiful 22' Allberg in
Yellowknife and won the majority of the Wednesday night races with it.

CM

Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message


Okay???


BTW - You're in Victoria?.... is there a Dr. D. Kinloch from up Yellowknife
way at your club with a 34 Allberg?? He had a beautiful 22' Allberg in
Yellowknife and won the majority of the Wednesday night races with it.

CM


Not in our club. I'm in the Navy club. he may belong to one of the
many other local clubs. Are you friends?

Gaz

Gary, it's really pretty sad. Mooron got booted, apparently, because he
violated their terms of service. I'm glad he's back, and has apparently
convinced them that he won't do whatever he did again.

Mooron, unfortunately, is really into lying. Which he's obviously doing. I
feel sorry for him.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Gary" wrote in message
news:s%%gf.586436$tl2.431814@pd7tw3no...
Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message


Whoa, fairly hostile and mis-informed.


When replying to Ganz... I never allow facts to confuse the truth! :-)

Honestly Gary... when debating anything with Jon he gets temperamental
and throws tantrums like a child...... he has issues and it's useless
to stick to facts, utilize logic or rational. I suggest - Don't stick to
the facts... Just stick it to Ganz!

He reports me to my ISP then when I finally get back on.... follows me
around the newsgroup like a stalker.

Seriously.. why would you desire to undertake a debate with someone who
does nothing but insult you? Yet Ganz refuses to killfile me. Why is
that?

CM
I gather you have issues........
It sounds to me like you haven't been able to successfully argue with
facts so you are resorting to insults. Bring it up a notch. It's not
like you are living together.