"DSK" wrote in message

A 30 footer? Possible. Probably not downwind though. They will plane
nicely.

No.. I beat him easily with my Nordica 20.... he was one of those whiny
sailors... you know... like Ganz! Going on and on about PHRF and windward
ability. A text book sailor....

OK, that's a LOT of an exaggeration. Was your mom scared by a fin keel
just before you were born, or something??


Fin Keelers are okay... if you can't get a real sailboat! :-)


The Cal 20 is a nice boat, but it's not really trailerable unless you have
either a perfect ramp or a lift, and don't mind setting up a more
complex rig. And I'm sorry Mooron, I've sailed in company with a Halman
and there's no way in heck one of those is going to keep up with a Cal 20.

Like we've stated here before... it's not the boat ... it's the sailor. I
have easily bested a Cal 20 on many occasions with my Nordica 20.

BTW how about one of these
http://www.selectyachts.co.uk/crabbershome.asp?ArtID=5

http://www.boatshow.com/CornishShrimper.html

This is one of the boats that Navvie (remember him?) insisted should be
considered in his wager that he could name a more seaworthy 15 footer...

They look okay... but I don't have any practical experience with either of
them. I do however have experience with a Cal 20..... it sucks! I've sailed
them and have been left with less than a good impression of the vessel's
abilities.

Look Doug... a fin keeler that can be overtaken by a full keeler to windward
is beyond skill sets... it just illustrates a design problem that can't be
compensated for by skill. The Cal 20 and Catalina 22 I regularly trounced
both were in a quandary as to how I managed it. No it wasn't the inboard.
There was a 17 ft fin keeler that always beat the Cal 20.

There was even the time that I sailed through the fleet on the Wednesday
Night Race [I wasn't in the race that night and yes going in their
direction] ... towing a 10ft inflatable dinghy with a 15hp outboard with my
30 footer. Now that settled a lot of conjectures as to my vessel's
abilities.

CM