So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

Gaz

So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?


Oh boy.


RB
35s5
NY

"Gary" wrote in message
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So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

The 40 and 41 Passports.

Max

The 40 and 41 Passports.


Those are good boats, but in truth there are a lot of good boats at
various price points. I view great boats as the ones that reshaped the
industry and sailing world. For that reason I'd call J24, Catalina 22,
25, 27, 30, CD Typhoon and the Rhodes 19 all great boats. For a price
be damned list, you can go on endlessly with Baltics, Swans and
Oysters....all great quality vessels. It's kinda of a useless list to
make without breaking it down by application. We chose our "great boat"
by application/intended usage.

RB
35s5
NY

"Gary" wrote
So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?


The issue with the Benehuntalina crowd isn't that they're not pretty
good boats (many of them) but that they're so common.

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.


Usually the key attributes of a sailboat are functional opposites.
Seakindliness is very easy to achieve with a heavy boat, and a heavy
boat is slow.

Draft is a keey issue as well IMHO


Maxprop wrote:
The 40 and 41 Passports.


Shannon

Hinckley

Morris

Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html

Anything built by Carroll, Holby, or New Orleans Marine.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html


Like I said, it's a pretty pointless question. A Menger Cat is a great
boat if that's what fits your sailing grounds and other requirements.
When we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, we looked to some
"premium" makes that failed to make the grade by basic design. A great
boat is determined by what your needs are and how well they are met by
a given design, not by some Trawler clown doing google searches for
boats he'll never own or even sail.
Gary, if you are serious about the question try drawing up some
parameters. What size, typical sailing conditions expected, cost and so
on. If you sailing in an area with too little water a lot of great
boats won't be so great for you.

Robert B
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html


Like I said, it's a pretty pointless question. A Menger Cat is a great
boat if that's what fits your sailing grounds and other requirements.
When we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, we looked to some
"premium" makes that failed to make the grade by basic design. A great
boat is determined by what your needs are and how well they are met by
a given design, not by some Trawler clown doing google searches for
boats he'll never own or even sail.
Gary, if you are serious about the question try drawing up some
parameters. What size, typical sailing conditions expected, cost and so
on. If you sailing in an area with too little water a lot of great
boats won't be so great for you.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question. I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Gaz

Gary wrote:
I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question.

Especailly not from a crank-yanker like Bubbles (BTW he's nuts).

... I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?


OK
There are a LOT of boats that might be entered, largely because it's
such a personal question. Everybody has different tastes and different
priorities.

I'm tempted to nominate the Hunter 19 because I've never seen a
trailerable boat that was so practical & so comfortable, but it could
have been a better boat even so. Instead I'll say the Johnson 18, rugged
& stable, good looking, very responsive, fast enough to give you the
feeling that you're in a Road Runner cartoon.

Stone Horse- 23' classic, lovely boat, sails quite well and very able in
bad weather, surprisingly comfortable for her size.

Laser 28- a roomy 28 footer, well built, faster than most 32 footers;
another in a similar category is the Olson 911. If you get 3-foot-itis
get a Frers 33.

Another great boat (and not too expensive) is the old Morgan 30. Not a
grand prix boat but can keep up with much newer racer-cruisers of her
size, not as roomy but with good stowage & 6'3" headroom, a handsome
looking boat to my eye, and shallow draft for getting the best anchorage.

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Depends on if you like aluminum. It makes a lot of sense especially for
bigger boats & boats that will go where conditions are tough. They have
to be very well insulated though, or the crew freezes even in mild
weather. But the Garcia boats are pretty IMHO (although I don't like the
traveller up on a crash bar), they sail very well, definitely seaworthy
as can be, and the shoal draft is a huge cruising benefit.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

You can't do better than a Nordica 30'.

SBV


"Gary" wrote in message
news:rQRdf.502271$tl2.255581@pd7tw3no...
So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't
any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage
39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a
great
sailboat.

Gaz

You can't do better than a Nordica 30'.


Actually there are a ton of boats that do exactly what the Nordica does
and they do it far better. But there aren't too many boats that do what
a Menger does, which is why it's a standout. Jeff's PDQ is also in that
arena though there are other good cats on the market.
If your boat is specific to your needs and does better than others at
the price point then you have a great boat. Loco does not have a great
boat because there are boats better suited for his needs.

RB
35s5...a great boat
NY