And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Not higher than 40 degrees it won't! And not in light air AT ALL it
won't. Tedious tacking, poor in light air, numb helm boat!!!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser.

While good performance is not open to wild interpretation with
sailboats, what makes a good cruiser certainly is. My friend cruises
his J30 and finds it to be perfect. Same for the tiny Bristol 27. Just
because you need a floating livingroom at sea, doesn't mean the rest of
the world wants that! Zikes!

It has three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all
with great ventilation, standing room and plenty of lockers.

It's a much bigger boat, Jeff, or do you thing boats are only measured
LOA?


carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck.

You have to. You sure won't have any fun sailing! Might I suggest
towing a J22?

So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose,

Our boat hasn't even been delivered yet, but based on your reaction to
it...I guess we win again!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer."

Why is it hard? It won boat of year for it's performance and design.
Various magazines called it a performance boat. And that's what it is.
A J29 is also a performance boat, Jeff, even if I sail it on a pond or
stuff it in a hanger.

A head
and shower that you can actually use underway.

I used the head underway and in 20 knots. What exactly do you find
problematic? Are you unable to move your bowels or urinate on an angle?

Jeff, you lose again! Feed me, Seymour, Feed me!!!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
And yet, it will go upwind faster than your boat in a breeze.

Not higher than 40 degrees it won't!

Lets see those polars, boobie! I've already shown how a 407 and 99
don't really do any better than 45. Ranting on about how you have to
do 40 just shows that you're a total fool!

And not in light air AT ALL it
won't. Tedious tacking, poor in light air, numb helm boat!!!

I can live with my choice. It doesn't bother me that you might have
the best boat within 3 miles of your slip. But then, I can cruise the
entire world; you're stuck thinking that Execution Rock is the gateway
to "deep into the Sound"! BWHAHAHAHAHA!



You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser.

While good performance is not open to wild interpretation with
sailboats,

According to what? Your fictitious book?

what makes a good cruiser certainly is. My friend cruises
his J30 and finds it to be perfect. Same for the tiny Bristol 27.

You always have a convenient "friend" that supports your every claim.
I'll bet you had an imaginary friend as a child!

Just
because you need a floating livingroom at sea, doesn't mean the rest of
the world wants that! Zikes!

You're just dripping with envy, aren't you boobie? Just because you
think you need a boat that points at 40 degrees, doesn't mean that
there's another non-racer that cares about it.

Its a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it! Even if your
compass says you're doing 40, you'll be making about 8 degrees of
leeway! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! cough choke ... Scuze me!




It has three staterooms, two with queen size bunks, all
with great ventilation, standing room and plenty of lockers.

It's a much bigger boat, Jeff, or do you thing boats are only measured
LOA?

That's why I've gone easy on you, Bob. I was taught not to make fun
of the less fortunate.




carry a dinghy on davits and a kayak on deck.

You have to. You sure won't have any fun sailing! Might I suggest
towing a J22?

I've always been partial to Solings.


So I ask the assembled masses: which boat has or will best fulfill its
intended purpose,

Our boat hasn't even been delivered yet, but based on your reaction to
it...I guess we win again!

You bought a "racer/cruiser" that might be a good racer but is
a below average cruiser. Given that its hard to call it a "great
performer."

Why is it hard? It won boat of year for it's performance and design.
Various magazines called it a performance boat. And that's what it is.
A J29 is also a performance boat, Jeff, even if I sail it on a pond or
stuff it in a hanger.

A head
and shower that you can actually use underway.

I used the head underway and in 20 knots. What exactly do you find
problematic? Are you unable to move your bowels or urinate on an angle?

I guess it helps to have a nurse around full time to clean you up.

ts a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it!


Owners of the 35s5 report making better than 6 knots at 35 degrees
COMMONLY. The 35s5 and several other First series boats have been noted
for excellent upwind ability, besting some pure racers when newer more
advanced sails were used.
Why not ask some owners and see what they have to say? It's easy to
just jump up an down and yell "No, no no!"
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from
owners, as I have.

RB
35s5...the more close winded boat
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
ts a good thing to, because your boat won't actually point at 40
degrees; not with that wing keel, and you know it!


Owners of the 35s5 report making better than 6 knots at 35 degrees
COMMONLY.

Its those imaginary friends again.

Here's a hint: all of those reports are to the apparent wind, not the
true wind. You do understand the difference, don't you?

The 35s5 and several other First series boats have been noted
for excellent upwind ability, besting some pure racers when newer more
advanced sails were used.
Why not ask some owners and see what they have to say? It's easy to
just jump up an down and yell "No, no no!"
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from
owners, as I have.

yada yada yada

lets see those polars, boobie! show us the polars!



RB
35s5...the more break winded boat
NY

But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from

owners, as I have.

yada yada yada


Translation: I don't want to learn anything that might prove me wrong!
The info is out there, Jeff. Are you man enough to get it? Polars mean
little. The 35s5 is noted to outperform it's polars just like the 36.7
does with hi tech sails. On the other hand there's a thread online
about how the PDQ CAN'T sail to it's polars! Wanna see it?

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from

owners, as I have.

yada yada yada


Translation: I don't want to learn anything that might prove me wrong!

Translation: you're trying to "gain points" by pushing an argument
that was conceded on day one. Your boat goes upwind well and points
well.

However, that is not the only criterion that boats are judged by, at
least for most people.

Further, you keep claiming that "pointing" is all that counts, even if
VMG is reduced. You show your total ignorance of sailing. Where are
those benny polars that show hull speed at 30 degrees true?

The info is out there, Jeff. Are you man enough to get it? Polars mean
little.

They mean a lot booby. Its only in your fantasy world where salesmen
are more definitive then sailors, bar room chatter more believable
than polars.

The 35s5 is noted to outperform it's polars just like the 36.7
does with hi tech sails.

Sure booby, whatever you say. One day you claim your boat regularly
outperforms its rating, then you claim they can't win because the
rating is artificially low. Now you claiming that you boats are
always better then their polars, everyone else's are worse. I suppose
there are things you can do to make a go 1% faster. Why should I
care? Why do you care? You don't race!


On the other hand there's a thread online
about how the PDQ CAN'T sail to it's polars! Wanna see it?


Sure, I'd love to. I'd love to see my polars. Of course, its
probably going to show something we already know, like overloading a
cat will slow it down, or that most cruising cats are bought by people
who like to cruise and don't really care about polars? Or that some
cat owners are interested in very high speed, and so think the PDQ is
slow by comparison? Or that some cat owners don't know how to sail
their boat? I can find a thread that asserts 8 knots at 45 degrees
true. I'm skeptical, but who knows?

Translation: you're trying to "gain points" by pushing an argument
that was conceded on day one. Your boat goes upwind well and points
well.


Whoo hooo! I win, I win!!!!


One day you claim your boat regularly
outperforms its rating, then you claim they can't win because the
rating is artificially low.

Why must you lie? Can't you make a single real point? This has gone
quite badly for you. You've exposed yourself and the poor PDQ 36, which
is getting bitch slapped because you can't defend it. WHAT I SAID WAS,
the 35s5 rating is a problem for some because she's often crewed with
crews of more experience. That makes it tough on the occasional racer.


Where are
those benny polars that show hull speed at 30 degrees true?


Wow, you have no shame, eh? Feeling pretty desperate aren't ya? Never
ever did I say the 35s5 could sail at 30 degrees true.

RB
35s5
NY