The thing to remember is that without the "straight guys" most comedy
routines here would die at the first post.

I was here when Dr. Armpit went over the edge... that was frickin'
hilarious!

One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at everything!

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The best way to kill this group is a continuous stream of polite
sailing
discussions.


Mooron, were you here when I drove Dr. Armpit into threats that he'd
drive here and kill me and most of the people on my block? He
practically went off the deep end, then we never heard from him again.
He'd been a regular for quite a while. We have some borderline cases
here. Doug, Loco and Jeff take all of this a bit to seriously and I
think I've shaved a few years off their frustrated little lives. Loco
has mentioned again and again how "he'll never forget how I treated him
when he first joined the group!" I actually think I drove Doug to buy a
trawler as he feared buying a sailboat that I'd rip apart. Jeff is
ready to use a chainsaw on his PeePeeQ and is upset that I told
everyone who don't own a 35s5 to kill themselves. I really only meant
Jeff. BTW, did you know that we sailed to Block Island last year and
never went to Port Jeff? The pics I posted we clearly of Mystic and no
one knew, not even the ones who claimed they've sailed here. Hmmmm.

RB
35s5
NY

One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after
the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at
everything!


Hey, I was pretty upset when Bush won too. Ironic thing is that now
most people who voted for him feel the same way. Do you know that the
previous owner of the 35s5 asked me (two minutes after meeting) if I
was anti-Bush. When I said "Of course" he said he'd never sell his boat
to a Bush supporter. Scary part...I think he was serious.

RB
35s5
NY

I'm amazed by how many true Republicans feel that way now. Sure, there are
some rightwingnuts who'll never admit they were wrong, but with a 39%
approval rating, Bushco may even lose some of those when it finally comes
out that Rove/Chumpy revealed Plame to Novak and others.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after
the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at
everything!


Hey, I was pretty upset when Bush won too. Ironic thing is that now
most people who voted for him feel the same way. Do you know that the
previous owner of the 35s5 asked me (two minutes after meeting) if I
was anti-Bush. When I said "Of course" he said he'd never sell his boat
to a Bush supporter. Scary part...I think he was serious.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

I'm amazed by how many true Republicans feel that way now. Sure, there are
some rightwingnuts who'll never admit they were wrong, but with a 39%
approval rating, Bushco may even lose some of those when it finally comes
out that Rove/Chumpy revealed Plame to Novak and others.

Doubtful. Most of us who've abandoned our affection for W have done so for
any number of reasons, but not that fiasco. What's interesting is that
Scooter Libby hasn't been charged with revealing a CIA black operative.
Rather he's been charged with lying to a grand jury. Sound familiar? GOP
pulled the same political BS with Clinton and Starr. What is annoying is
that such political BS games are played on either side of the aisle. We
send representatives to DC to do our bidding, not engage in petty political
battles. They are wasting our money while keeping the media happy. Sucks.

The reason that W has lost so many of his original supporters is not because
of the Plame/Rove mess, and not *entirely* because of the Iraq war, albeit a
factor. It has more to do with failing to protect our borders from
undocumented aliens, from spending like there's a money pit somewhere in
Washington that we must not know about, and coming up with silly, crony
nominations for the Supreme Court, such as Harriet Meiers. Only you
liberals care about the Rove/Libby/Cheney scandal. Or about Tom DeLay. We
don't.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Oh and Ganzy after
the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at
everything!


Hey, I was pretty upset when Bush won too.

My point exactly. See my post to Mooron.

Ironic thing is that now
most people who voted for him feel the same way. Do you know that the
previous owner of the 35s5 asked me (two minutes after meeting) if I
was anti-Bush. When I said "Of course" he said he'd never sell his boat
to a Bush supporter. Scary part...I think he was serious.

That is scary. Segments of the far left are still not thinking clearly.

Max

Capt.Mooron wrote:
The thing to remember is that without the "straight guys" most comedy
routines here would die at the first post.


Yeah, I was thinking just that yesterday. In fact, it was the
straight men that made the big bucks, while the buffoons were
considered replaceable.

This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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Bush won the election! CM

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Bush won the election! CM


This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

He can't?

Max

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Bush won the election! CM


This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

He can't?

Sheesh... I've got my EU passport so no problem..... but I don't want to get
shaken down for a retinal scan and fingerprint for your Homeland Security
Office.

I have 2 US Visas and an American Social Security Card. I have travelled
through-out the USA years ago.... down the west coat to Mexico taking in
every state along the West coast... back up from Mexico through the central
western states.... I would say that I have been to more states than most of
you.. I've been in every state up the Eastern coast and all along your
border with Canada. I've been through most of the central states as well.
The USA offers nothing I couldn't find anywhere else on the planet. In
general... I found it to be paranoid, rude and the people generally ignorant
of anything outside their respective states ... let alone their national
borders.

Canada, Mexico, Cuba and the Caribbean offers everything the US does.... so
I have no need to travel there except maybe to visit some of my many
American friends..... but not at the price of getting a shake-down and
frisked at the front door. Most people specify no US stops on trips to other
countries now.

Globally speaking... and in very general terms.... I found that years ago
Americans were tolerated but disliked.... whereas now it seems they are
despised and avoided. I must state however that I have had pleasant
experiences with the American Tourists visiting Canada. I also had the
pleasure to meet with some very nice Americans during my travels there. It
seems that politeness and courtesy is contagious.

But rest assured... I'd prefer a trip to the USA than any Muslim Country
right now!

CM

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This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

He can't?

Sheesh... I've got my EU passport so no problem..... but I don't want to
get shaken down for a retinal scan and fingerprint for your Homeland
Security Office.

Mr. Ganz seems to be under the impression you aren't allowed to travel to
the US.

I have 2 US Visas and an American Social Security Card. I have travelled
through-out the USA years ago.... down the west coat to Mexico taking in
every state along the West coast... back up from Mexico through the
central western states.... I would say that I have been to more states
than most of you.. I've been in every state up the Eastern coast and all
along your border with Canada. I've been through most of the central
states as well. The USA offers nothing I couldn't find anywhere else on
the planet.

I believe you mean *somewhere else on the planet.* I doubt if you'd find,
for example, something like Chesepeake Bay in Saudi Arabia or Tanzania.

In general... I found it to be paranoid, rude and the people generally
ignorant of anything outside their respective states ... let alone their
national borders.

Pretty much like Canadians. I find Canadians and Americans to be so similar
as to be virtually indistinguishable, those from the French provinces the
exception, as they mostly tend to be incredibly rude and arrogant. You are
right, however, that many Americans are ignorant of anything beyond their
respective state borders, and beyond their hometowns in many cases. Same
with Canadians. On a motorcycle trip through Canada some years ago, I found
it worthless to ask directions much beyond 20 miles or so from my current
location. No one had the foggiest of what was over the next hill. But I
found most Cannucks to be friendly and congenial, the same as I've found
most Americans to be. You remarked that you don't consider arrogance to be
a character flaw. Perhaps those that meet you do.


Canada, Mexico, Cuba and the Caribbean offers everything the US does....

Canada: how many Canadian automobiles (not just American cars made under
license) does your country produce? How many indigenous motorcycles? How
many provinces have tropical or subtropical climates?

Mexico and/or Cuba: won't even bother with those

Caribbean: how many freshwater rivers, bays and tidewater estuaries do you
find there? What is the per capita income throughout the Caribbean, and how
does it compare with Canada or the USA? And on and on . . .

If you mean that those countries *combined* offer everything the US does,
then you might be close. But I can have all those things without having to
show my passport or deal with incompetent local governments bent on
extorting money from me. And I can make a decent living anywhere within the
borders of the USA. buy virtually any product or service imaginable, and not
have to deal with the petty, extortionist bureaucrats that such places as
Cuba and Mexico have in droves.

so I have no need to travel there except maybe to visit some of my many
American friends.....

Would these be the rude, arrogant ones? Now that you mention it, birds of a
feather . . .

but not at the price of getting a shake-down and frisked at the front
door. Most people specify no US stops on trips to other countries now.

Hmmm. Try flying into Frankfort, Germany, or Tel Aviv, for examples, to
witness just how paranoid the authorities can be. Spread 'em and raise your
arms, Mooron. g


Globally speaking... and in very general terms.... I found that years
ago Americans were tolerated but disliked.... whereas now it seems they
are despised and avoided.

Bull****. You watch too much liberal TV and believe the half-truths and
distortions you see. My last trip to China was a real eye-opener. We were
informed beforehand that we might get a less-than-friendly reception. To
the contrary we were treated like visiting royalty. The Chinese kids in
Beijing were so interested in us that they almost wouldn't leave us alone.
And the adults all wanted to know what it was like to live in the USA. We
stopped in Germany on the way home and were likewise treated warmly and with
respect. The only minor glitch we encountered was with an overly officious
jerk in the customs office at JFK International upon our return.

I must state however that I have had pleasant experiences with the
American Tourists visiting Canada. I also had the pleasure to meet with
some very nice Americans during my travels there. It seems that politeness
and courtesy is contagious.

No ****? According to folks like you, there can't be over a dozen or more
decent Americans. You must have met them all in one sitting.

But rest assured... I'd prefer a trip to the USA than any Muslim Country
right now!

Right now, yes, because you'd be taken for an American. My last trip to
Jordan/Saudi Arabia/Egypt was between Desert Storm ('91) and the current
Iraq war. The Arabs we dealt with were friendly, courteous, congenial, and
very interested in life in America. I saw a professor, an Arab with one of
the universities in Germany--don't recall which at the moment--talking on
CNN not long ago. He said that nearly every country on the planet has
traditionally had people who look up to Americans (oh, I suppose that might
include you guys, too) and wish to learn more about them, emulate them in
some ways (dress, music, culture). Recently, however, with the
preponderance of anti-US sentiment throughout the world media, many of those
same people, who've envied Americans, now have an excuse to dislike them.
He likened it to Michael Jackson--many people were jealous of his wealth,
fame, talent. But when he became tarnished, they jumped on the bandwagon of
those who hated him. Jealousy is always a great motivator.

Max