Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

rgnmstr wrote:
Well Doug that's a nice accusation.

It's a lovely thing that you said, too.


... My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

.... They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know.

.... Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?


Hardly. For example, I find it outrageous that the state of North
Carolina has written laws that require the driver's license to be given
in practically any language. The common language here is English, and a
person can not speak it & read it well enough to interact with other
drivers, read signs, understand police, etc etc, then they should be
actively prohibited from driving here.

OTOH I am learning Spanish and am beginning to use it several times a
week. Hay muchos problemos con esta machina, no? Es dificil por el
trabajando? Gracias, amigo.

Loco, my ancestors were not welcomed here. For at least two or three
generations, the Irish were servants and stoop labor. I'm not in favor
of illegal immigration, IMHO it's one more item on a long list of ways
Bush Administration is screwing the country. But let's not play back
porch bigot, OK?

DSK

It's a lovely thing that you said, too..

Hey, All I did was point out what could happen here someday.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

It's not all about Wal-Mart and big business. It about platcating a
group of people. It's about not offending a group of people. It's
about political correctness. It's about votes! The thing Bush and
everyone else that cheers for the illegals don't understand is that
down the road the Mexicans in this country won't give a hoot about them
when they take over the southern states.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know. .

Don't think so.


Hardly. For example, I find it outrageous that the state of North
Carolina has written laws that require the driver's license to be given

in practically any language. The common language here is English, and a

person can not speak it & read it well enough to interact with other
drivers, read signs, understand police, etc etc, then they should be
actively prohibited from driving here.

Hell some people felt it was just fine when the middle eastern women
wanted to keep her veil on for her Fla. driver's license photo. That's
what I'm talking about when I say foreigners today don't want to
assimilate. In southern states that boarder Mexico where Mexicans have
won political office they have passed laws to changed the official
language of the town or city to Spanish. Is that joining up?

It's a lovely thing that you said, too..

rgnmstr wrote:
Hey, All I did was point out what could happen here someday.

Oh yeah. And all Bobsprit does is brag about "his" nice boat.

And BTW we have already had race riots in this country. Some folks seem
to be pushing in that direction again, I guess because they have forgotten.

I notice you didn't answer my question about your support of the
administration that is actively encouraging this... after all, the
Wal-Mart economy thrives on an excess of cheap labor.

It's not all about Wal-Mart and big business. It about platcating a
group of people. It's about not offending a group of people. It's
about political correctness.

I see, you object to "political correctnoess." That does not excuse
making bigoted remarks and setting out to demean & diminish an entire
class of citizens.

... It's about votes! The thing Bush and
everyone else that cheers for the illegals don't understand is that
down the road the Mexicans in this country won't give a hoot about them
when they take over the southern states.


You mean, the way you give a hoot about them now? Maybe the Hispanics
are all working themselves up over worrying about whether or not white
Anglo-Saxon people are goint to riot.


Anyway, you could be talking about the Cuban embargo, too.

I agree that it's about votes, but a political party that intend to
diminish civil rights, stamp out equality among citizens, and push wage
levels down, needs to be willing to use a little more care with their
bigoted rhetoric. There is such a thing as pushing too many people too far.

You could be talking about the Christian Right, y'know. .

Don't think so.


rgnmstr wrote:
They don't want to assimilate. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves.

That describes the Christian Right to a T.



Hell some people felt it was just fine when the middle eastern women
wanted to keep her veil on for her Fla. driver's license photo.

That was ridiculous. It was also only one incident, highly publicized...
of course by the "liberal biased media."

... That's
what I'm talking about when I say foreigners today don't want to
assimilate.

Some don't, but most do. After all, they came here for jobs and a better
chance for their children.

.... In southern states that boarder Mexico where Mexicans have
won political office they have passed laws to changed the official
language of the town or city to Spanish. Is that joining up?


Sort of like the way a 1% vote margin gave President Bush a mandate to
stack the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade? And let's not forget,
Texas & New Mexico & Nevada & California were originally a part of
Mexico anyway. If they can summon a voting majority, then let them
change what they will. It's democracy. I guess Anglo-Saxon descended
people who can't stand it will either have to get up and vote more, or
move out.

DSK

I see, you object to "political correctnoess." That does not excuse

making bigoted remarks and setting out to demean & diminish an entire
class of citizens.

Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days. Somebody is
a bigot if they say anything about another group whether it's true or
not. If you feel better calling me a cone headed biggot then go ahead.
Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.

rgnmstr wrote:
Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days.

Hmmm... left-winger, am I?

Let's see, I'm a veteran, a Southerner, an NRA member (not active),
anti-union, a stock market investor... and being a left winger at the
same time would be a bit of a stretch. I'm flattered that you think I'm
so multi-talented.

If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all
I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.


Uh huh. And so, blame the left-wingers for it, when President Bush is
winking the whole time. Who offered amnesty for illegals? Who has been
in charge of the INS while illegal immigration climbs thru the roof? Who
has declared "war on terror" and then left the back door open?

DSK

If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all

I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military
alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Once again I didn't make a biggoted remark. You took it that way. As
far as serving......... Vietnam 66. Where were you?

rgnmstr wrote:
Once again I didn't make a biggoted remark. You took it that way.

Actually I did not accuse you of being a bigot, and was very careful to
only imply your remark was bigoted to the same degree that you implied
Hispanics were less loyal Americans than you (and presumably I, but then
you turned on me as a "left winger" pretty quickly).


... As
far as serving......... Vietnam 66. Where were you?


I was in grammar school. OTOH I was off the coast of Libya, the Gulf of
Sidra to be exact, in 1981 and off the coast of Lebanon in 1982; and off
the coast of Nicaragua in 1986; and a couple of other fun vacation spots
in between.

Lately I've been hearing a lot of increased chatter from people who
should know better. World wide war on all Moslems, torture any suspected
terrorists, kick out all foreigners, put minorities back in their
places, put women back in their place, make kids cut their hair (and
stop dying it weird colors) and stop listening to awful music, etc etc.
There's a fine line in this kind of talk, some of it is harmless and
some of it is poisonous and hateful. I am not accusing you of being over
the line but I am much more comfortable declaring where I stand when it
becomes a question.

If that says "left-winger" to you, then great.

Now how about getting back to sailing?

Regards
Doug King ex-BT1(SW)

"DSK" wrote in message
...
rgnmstr wrote:
Doug, that's the first thing left wingers say these days.

Hmmm... left-winger, am I?

Let's see, I'm a veteran, a Southerner, an NRA member (not active),
anti-union, a stock market investor... and being a left winger at the
same time would be a bit of a stretch. I'm flattered that you think I'm
so multi-talented.

If you don't want people to think you're a bigot, then don't make
bigoted remarks. I grew up in a small Southern town, and I've heard all
I care to of such talk. If you had ever served in the military alongside
blacks & Hispanics & Philipinos & everybody else that has come be
Americans, all doing their duty as best they can, you'd be ashamed of
yourself.

Has nothing to do with the fact that illegal immigration is draining
the resourses of certain parts of this country. Has nothing to do with
the fact that we don't know who's walking in every day across our
southern borders.


Uh huh. And so, blame the left-wingers for it, when President Bush is
winking the whole time. Who offered amnesty for illegals? Who has been
in charge of the INS while illegal immigration climbs thru the roof? Who
has declared "war on terror" and then left the back door open?

DSK

I love it! They can't stick Doug in a category because he thinks for
himself!

aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!

Amen!

Sort of like the way a 1% vote margin gave President Bush a mandate
to
stack the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade? And let's not forget,

Texas & New Mexico & Nevada & California were originally a part of
Mexico anyway. If they can summon a voting majority, then let them
change what they will. It's democracy. I guess Anglo-Saxon descended
people who can't stand it will either have to get up and vote more, or
move out. .

As you know every president wants his guy in. Bush is no different
from the Dems. As far as Row vs Wade. I'm sick of that issue being
the definitive item describing every canidate for every office. I'm
more concerned about corruption, over spending, pork barrel projects,
ellected jerks comming out of office wealthy, fabulous government
retirement deals, gov people with no work jobs, etc. How about the
liberal Supreme Courts rulling this year that allows local governments
to take private property and give it to private developers? Are you
ready to give your house to a guy who wants your lot to build a strip
center? I can't wait till that's overturned and it will be.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:02:59 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


How about the liberal Supreme Courts
rulling this year that allows local governments to take private property
and give it to private developers? Are you ready to give your house to a
guy who wants your lot to build a strip center? I can't wait till that's
overturned and it will be.

Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal" Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, while I think the ruling
was a travesty, the New London Development Corporation was "a private
nonprofit entity established some years earlier to assist the City in
planning economic development", but it hardly fits most people's
definition of a "private developer." The ruling hinged on "public use",
not private gain.

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