Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges. The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability. In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore. I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is. That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride. I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.

Gaz

That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking
about ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh
at the term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open
60's are "offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a
select few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus
make that grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and
Catalinas etc. While they can be successfully cruised and competitively
raced, there are boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz

Well put Gary..... Well put!

CM

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking about
ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh at the
term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open 60's are
"offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a select
few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus make that
grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and Catalinas etc.
While they can be successfully cruised and competitively raced, there are
boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable

Fer Gawd's sake Bob.... you haven't left the bay yet!!!!

In the last few years you haven't made a 100 nm passage as yet!!

You don't have any idea of comfort except for a daysail in a protected
harbour!!!

Good Grief!!! [ Hah... got to use that back at Ya!]

CM

Gary wrote:
I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges.

Yes it is. The Beneteau is a much better advertised brand

... The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability.

Oh, I dunno, it depends on how you define those terms. The Ben 35s5 is
bigger, so even with a lower LPOS it's less likely to get rolled. OTOH
in weather serious enough for that to be an issue, it's likely to have
some problems.

... In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore.

Not on the short list, no.


... I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is.

If it carries a CE Offshore Cat B then it's over 120 (IIRC) and is rated
for offshore sailing.

.... That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.

Uncomfortable yes, especially as the sea state picks up.

... I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.


I'm somewhat biased the other way, having learned to sail in racing
class dinghies then "graduating" to keelboats that felt sluggish... I
prefer a boat with some git-up-n-go. But IMHO the Bendytoy is likely to
suffer a number of problems if sailed hard for a prolonged period, not
least of which is that the crew will have a hard time keeping fed &
rested enough to sail the boat as it needs to be.

Do you have a web site for the Truant 33? Not familiar with it.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

How can you state a fin keeler will track better than a full keeler???

How can you state a fin keeler is better balanced than a full keeler?

Performance??? It's a measure of a vessel's ability to undertake a task
required.... mine does so consistantly.

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines.

What makes you think a Swan has nice lines?? The value?? Look bob... a
Swan may be an expensive boat... but a Rolex is an expensive watch....
neither of which performs to it's value.

A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

I don't think so Bob... anybody voting that knock off as original or
unique would be either daft, drunk or bribed. It's a white look alike
knock-off that could only win a design contest with other white lokk alike
knock offs.

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!

CM
Nordica 30 - Classic Lines, Grace & Power Under Sail

"Capt. Rob" wrote in me

Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5?

I searched, this one comes closest.

http://www.macgregor26.com


SBV