So, Bubbles, am I to conclude that a man is measured by his possessions

rather than his character, at least in your vernacular?


No, not entirely, but you can learn about someone by looking at the
choices they've made. For example....

Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Loco owns a Express 30. He also claims to have money to buy what he
wants. He also claims to only daysail and race. So why a 30 foot
cruiser/racer dated in every way? Why not a truly fast boat? We can
assume that Loco is either lying about what he can buy or is somewhat
cheap. Sadly if it's the latter, he's not being good to himself and
that's very sad indeed.

Scotty bought a Sieldemann 30. I've teased him a lot for it, but in the
real world he's a smart sailor. He ignored resale worries and bought a
boat that fit his needs NOW. Not being a man of wealth he sails a well
sized vessel that exceeded his expectations for the dollars spent. We
can assume Scotty is a tough minded individual who goes his own way
even in the face of critism, quite the opposite of Mooron.

Doug bought a Trawler. He had also been looking at sailboats prior to
that. In the end he traded his true claimed passion for a floating
motorhome. Why? Well, we can draw man conclusions. Perhaps he's not
well. Perhaps his wife applied certain pressures. When an able sailor
buys a powerboat we're always left confused.

Jeff bought a PDQ 36. It's an amazingly credible family platform for
long distance sailing. He's obviously a fellow who ignores conventional
thinking and buys what he thinks serves his situation best, rather than
making blanket condemnations such as "I'd never buy a multi."

I bought a 35s5....like Jeff I considered how we would sail, where and
how often. I made a very practical choice, picking a boat that was
great for daysails and long weekends. I also chose a vessel I knew I
could easily trade up from. My pick was more practical than emotional.
And that's how I tend to make such purchases, even when it's something
I love.

So we can learn about people from the choices they make.


RB
35s5...the Perfect Boat!
NY

Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends prefer
sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour. It's way
more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are subject to
up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip and has no
problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like
every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

CM

Even when we spent at lot of time dockside in Florida on our trip
there were only a few nights that were oppressive.


Those few nights are all I want to avoid, Jeff. Since the Air
conditioner comes with the boat should I NOT use it on an oppressive
night? What exactly IS your point? We will also carry a small 5 inch
telescope on board, to use ashore in some places we sail to. I guess
that's also a bad idea because it won't get used often, right?
Jeff, you sound more and more silly with every post. If your boat came
with AC I bet you'd have flipped it on once in a while. Maybe you'd
like it!

RB
35s5...the faster cooler boat!
NY

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges. The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability. In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore. I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is. That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride. I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.

Gaz

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

How can you state a fin keeler will track better than a full keeler???

How can you state a fin keeler is better balanced than a full keeler?

Performance??? It's a measure of a vessel's ability to undertake a task
required.... mine does so consistantly.

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines.

What makes you think a Swan has nice lines?? The value?? Look bob... a
Swan may be an expensive boat... but a Rolex is an expensive watch....
neither of which performs to it's value.

A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

I don't think so Bob... anybody voting that knock off as original or
unique would be either daft, drunk or bribed. It's a white look alike
knock-off that could only win a design contest with other white lokk alike
knock offs.

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!

CM
Nordica 30 - Classic Lines, Grace & Power Under Sail

"Capt. Rob" wrote in me

Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5?

I searched, this one comes closest.

http://www.macgregor26.com


SBV

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:5EKcf.137392$Io.57988@clgrps13...
Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends
prefer sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour.
It's way more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are
subject to up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip
and has no problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power
under sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks
like every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

Don't bother, CM. He'll never get it.

We sailed a number of boats before buying the Sea Sprite 34 we now own. A
daysail on a Catalina 34 in 3' closely-space chop made both my wife and me
queasy. We never get that on Clover. What we do get is a very decent ride,
even in nasty seas, and speed on par with any Catalina 34 afloat. Read
Ferenc Mates' chapter on the Sea Sprite (Luders) 34 in his book Best Boats.
He sums it up rather well.

Full keels don't necessarily mean slow. Given the right conditions,
Bubbles' fin keel Bendy Toy won't be in view over your transom after an hour
or so. And he and his crew will be beat to death while you and yours will
be comfortable and feeling secure. Granted, on those nice 10kt days with
flat water he'll leave you and me behind. But that ability is little
consolation when the seas and winds play rough, or when cruising in a
variety of conditions. Lastly, my boat and yours will probably be worth
more than they are now if and when we put them on the block down the road.
Bubbles' plastic fantastic will be worth about half what he paid for it in
ten years. Such is the plight of mass-produced boats for the masses.

Max

I concur Max... several people thought my vessel might be for sale this year
because I didn't launch.... one offer was for a ridiculous amount above the
market value.

I wouldn't sell my boat for 3 times it's market value.....

I like my boat.

It's a joy to sail and a pleasure to own.

CM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
Don't bother, CM. He'll never get it.

We sailed a number of boats before buying the Sea Sprite 34 we now own. A
daysail on a Catalina 34 in 3' closely-space chop made both my wife and me
queasy. We never get that on Clover. What we do get is a very decent
ride, even in nasty seas, and speed on par with any Catalina 34 afloat.
Read Ferenc Mates' chapter on the Sea Sprite (Luders) 34 in his book Best
Boats. He sums it up rather well.

Full keels don't necessarily mean slow. Given the right conditions,
Bubbles' fin keel Bendy Toy won't be in view over your transom after an
hour or so. And he and his crew will be beat to death while you and yours
will be comfortable and feeling secure. Granted, on those nice 10kt days
with flat water he'll leave you and me behind. But that ability is little
consolation when the seas and winds play rough, or when cruising in a
variety of conditions. Lastly, my boat and yours will probably be worth
more than they are now if and when we put them on the block down the road.
Bubbles' plastic fantastic will be worth about half what he paid for it in
ten years. Such is the plight of mass-produced boats for the masses.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

So we can learn about people from the choices they make.

Indeed. What we've learned about you is that possessions mean a lot to you;
that you tend to rate yourself against others by the things you've bought
vs. what they own, by the attractiveness of your wife, by the superiority of
your cameras, etc. In other words your character is that of a "material
girl," and not that of one who exemplifies the personal traits of integrity,
courage, humility, and wisdom.

Okay.

Max