Joe wrote:
Isnt it great to see democracy spreading throughout the Arab world!


Yep. It will be even nicer if those democracies become secular (ie
non-religious) constitutional (ie following consistant written law)
states with good respect for human rights... doesn't automatically
happen, but there's a good chance.


There is good news in what we are witnessing in Lebanon - tens of
thousands of young men and women, Christian and Muslim alike, bringing
down the pro-Syrian government of Lebanon. This show of democratic
strength harkens to recent successful efforts in Ukraine. It could be
another "tipping point" in democratizing the Arab world.


Could be. OTOH it would have been nice if the Bush Administration had
paid attention to Lebanon 4+ years ago... the Syrians were occupying for
decades... shucks I went there 'way back when I was in the Navy...



.... Key
Arab leaders, including President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and King
Abdullah II of Jordan, asked Syria to leave Lebanon and comply with
U.N. Resolution 1559.


There's that darn UN thing again... tell us Joe, are you for it, or
agin' it??


Syria is completely isolated

Funny thing... up until a short while ago Syria was a key U.S. ally in
the region... they have a secular & stable gov't with little or no
vulnerability to fundamentalist pressures... and were providing good
cooperation on counter terrorist intel & ops... we detached them from
the alliance against Israel and replaced all their Soviet bloc weapons
with our stuff (for a profit, of course).

But hey, that was then, this is now... the key message here is that Bush
& Cheney can make friends with whomever they like, then turn on them in
an instant. Sounds good, huh?



Even the most authoritarian regimes who have managed to quell their
internal dissent must take into account this fact: The United States is
next door in Iraq.

And counting the minutes until we can leave.


To bad the liberal whiners are not under the thumb of a Saddam type or
Assad type. Bet they would change thier tune in a heart beat.


Yeah! If we could only torture them all, then they'd change their minds.
Those dadgum libby-rulls need to see who's boss, huh?

BTW Joe where did you cut-n-paste the above article from?

DSK

The news paper

Joe

Joe wrote:
The news paper


Did you *think* about it, or just begin trumpeting it as a "Great
Triumph For Bush's Foreign Policy"?

I think it's a great positive step... unfortunate that it followed the
assassination of a Lebanese statesman... it's certainly not an
earth-shattering revelation or a tremendous revolution in the order of
things.

It would be much better if the U.S. could bring about positive change
without getting thousands... or tens of thousands... of people killed...
especially our own young men & women. For example, there is a large &
economically powerful group of moderate middle-class Iranians who would
like to reduce or even eliminate the mullah's stranglehold on their
gov't. But they will unite with the mullahs against the US with our
current policy of saber-rattling. What do you think would be the smart
course of action? Nuke 'em all, right?

And as I said, the situation in Lebanon has existed for at least twenty
years. Better late than never, though!

Regards
Doug King

Whats wrong Doug? Things not turning out as you expected?

Are you just so sad to see democracy spreading throughout the middle
east?


What would be funny is you liking your nextdoor neighbor, and then he
pulls out a gun and holds your other neighbors hostage. With your line
of reasoning you would still be friends with that neighbor no matter
how he acts. It just down right lowdown if you change your opinion of
your neighbor right? Im mean you can make friends with whomever you
like, then turn on them in an instant. Right? Sounds good, huh?

Joe

Joe wrote:
Whats wrong Doug? Things not turning out as you expected?

Are you just so sad to see democracy spreading throughout the middle
east?


Here we go, more name-calling and false quotes. It's like deja-vu all
over again.

Please re-read my post, Joe. *Where* did I say I was sad, or that I
thought things in Lebanon were going wrong? Can your ideas not stand on
their own, you have lie about others?

DSK

Oh come on Doug..according to you the evil Bush and Cheney and
Halliburton are destroying the earth. The sky is falling....The sky is
falling. Assinations, torture, lies, all for nothing.

We are saber ratteling physcos willing to have 1000's killed for
nothing remember?

Well to bad... so sad.........You were wrong...Your whole stand on the
war with Iraq was wrong.. People in the middle east are getting a taste
of freedom and they love it. It's spreading thru the region like
wildfire.

You can thank George W Bush right now.

BTW I did not call you any names...I took that part out before I
posted.

Joe

They *are* destroying the earth and certainly the US. There's plenty of
evidence for it. Why don't you and Mr. Poodle look it up.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Oh come on Doug..according to you the evil Bush and Cheney and
Halliburton are destroying the earth. The sky is falling....The sky is
falling. Assinations, torture, lies, all for nothing.

We are saber ratteling physcos willing to have 1000's killed for
nothing remember?

Well to bad... so sad.........You were wrong...Your whole stand on the
war with Iraq was wrong.. People in the middle east are getting a taste
of freedom and they love it. It's spreading thru the region like
wildfire.

You can thank George W Bush right now.

BTW I did not call you any names...I took that part out before I
posted.

Joe

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:32:28 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

They *are* destroying the earth and certainly the US. There's plenty of
evidence for it. Why don't you and Mr. Poodle look it up.


Oh yeah. I see President George W. Bush destroying the earth every
day, dumbass.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Joe" wrote
Well to bad... so sad.........You were wrong...Your whole stand on the
war with Iraq was wrong.. People in the middle east are getting a taste
of freedom and they love it. It's spreading thru the region like
wildfire.

In your dreams. I, for one, predicted that Iraq would replace Saddam's
secular dictatorship, that was death on radical Muslim terrorism like al
Qaeda, with a Shiite theocracy much like Iran's, which would embrace radical
Islam just as Iran has. Much has been made over the success of the elections
but who and what did they elect? Why the party that promises an "Islamic
Republic" just like Iran's!! Sounds like radical Islam is spreading, not
freedom - just as I predicted.

Ditto Syria - another secular government. Isn't it nice to see them in
trouble? Maybe they'll be forced to give in and support al Quada too.

Joe wrote:
Oh come on Doug..according to you the evil Bush and Cheney and
Halliburton are destroying the earth

No, that's according to you.

According to me (and by their own account) they've stolen hundreds of
millions of dollars... that's your hard-earned taxpayer money... and
delivered shoddy goods & equipment to our soldiers in the field. Perhaps
according to you, that's just peachy as long as it's Bush's pals...


We are saber ratteling physcos willing to 1000's killed for
nothing remember?


No, *we* are not. However you seem to be happy to see thousands of
people killed for some vague propaganda.



Well to bad... so sad.........You were wrong...Your whole stand on the
war with Iraq was wrong.

Really? Then why am I right about so many things, such as the lack of
any connection between Iraq and Al-Queda or Sept 11th, lack of WMDs,
lack of cheering crowds welcoming us with flowers, etc etc?

The facts haven't changed at all.



BTW I did not call you any names...I took that part out before I
posted.


Maybe you're learning.

DSK