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Bob Crantz January 20th 05 12:35 PM

Gun control!
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html



Joe January 20th 05 04:22 PM

They need to lock that sorry MF up and throw away the key.
To bad the fat slob was not packing.

Joe


Joe January 20th 05 05:44 PM

Hey Martin,

Can you not read?
I said " to bad the sorry fat ass slob MF Moore was not packing"

I did not say they should arrest the sorry MF because his idiot moron
body guard was packing without a permit at an airport.

They need to lock up his body guard, not the trud breath, super sized,
fat ass, low down, hunk of ****, un-American liar Moore, just the
idiot that give a **** if someone takes him out.
Sheeeeeze your as swift, as a Kerry supporter.

Joe


Martin Baxter January 20th 05 07:04 PM

Joe wrote:

Hey Martin,

Can you not read?


I read quite well. It is however unfortunate that you lack the literary tools to make your point, it you in fact have one, succinctly.

Do you support the Constitution of The United States of America? How do feel about the ethics and sentiments propounded in
the Declaration of Independence, or are they also "liberal, lilly livered Kerry crap"?



Cheers
Marty


Vito January 20th 05 07:40 PM

Put 5 chimps in a cage and hang bananas up higher than they can reach. Put
in a ladder - but whenever a chimp tries to use it knock him off it with a
fire hose then hose down all the others too. Pretty soon you can put away
the hose cuz the chimps wont let each other near the ladder! Now replace
one chimp. The new one will try but the others will beat the crap out of
him. Now replace yet another. The second newest will join the others in
attacking the new guy if he touches the ladder. Keep replacing chimps til
none left have ever been hosed down - they don't know why but none will
touch or allow another to touch the ladder. Thats how god made Joe and
others love Bush. They can't say why but you better love him to - or else!



Joe January 20th 05 08:03 PM


Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Hey Martin,

Can you not read?


I read quite well. It is however unfortunate that you lack the

literary tools to make your point, it you in fact have one, succinctly.


"It you in fact have one"?

Your literary tools and ability to understand the written word is
about a sharp as a bowling ball for colombine.

I thought I made a point with concise and precise brevity and was to
the point. You failed to comprehend, or you failed to read the news
link.


Do you support the Constitution of The United States of America?


Yes I do. And I have.

How do feel about the ethics and sentiments propounded in
the Declaration of Independence,


The Declaration of Independence and the liberties recognized in it are
grounded in a higher law to which all human laws are answerable. This
higher law can be understood to derive from reason...the truths of the
Declaration are held to be "self-evident"...but also revelation.


or are they also "liberal, lilly livered Kerry crap"?



Hey you have the God given right to suck up to a piece of **** liar
like moore. Just like I have the liberty and freedom to think he is a
using, sorry, low down, hunk of ****, dirtbag has-been, asshole.
Don't Like It?

Cheers back at you!

Joe




Cheers
Marty



Joe January 20th 05 08:15 PM

Put 5 Vitos in a cage and hang bananas up higher than he can reach.
Put in a ladder - and Vito will have no clue how to use the ladder.

Thats how god made all Vito's and Kerry supporters.

Thats why they lost the election.

Thats why they will never had a chance.
They just dont get it.

Bwahahahahahhaa


Capt. Neal® January 20th 05 09:29 PM



The only kind of gun control I understand is hitting what you aim at.

CN

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html



Bart Senior January 20th 05 11:17 PM

The reason MM has a bodyguard is because he ****ed off
about 90 million people.

"Joe" wrote

They need to lock that sorry MF up and throw away the key.
To bad the fat slob was not packing.

Joe





Bart Senior January 20th 05 11:24 PM

The two permit held by this bodyguard, allow this individual
to carry a permit in a total of 30 states, but not New York.

New York is one of the "NAZI" gun states that deny individuals
the right to protect themselves, unless they are rich liberal politicians.

This person was declaring it because he could not get it through
airport security. Even in checked baggage, it must be declared.

In New York, this will get you arrested, even if you are merely
changing planes passing through, without leaving the airport.

OzOne wrote

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.


He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Bart Senior January 20th 05 11:25 PM

Jeez Oz, are you trying to make people sick?

OzOne wrote

Best part of that story is
"Click image to enlarge"




Bart Senior January 20th 05 11:43 PM

Of course not. There might be a few loonies that might. But
these are 90 million who would cheer if Micheal Moore fell
over dead, because he stepped over the line of decency
with his last movie.

People who take the time and trouble to get a gun permit,
place great value on two things. 1) the law, and 2) protecting
themselves. Criminals don't bother with permits.

Law abiding citizens avoid the use of firearms, except when life is
threatened, because they do not want to lose this right.

Do you think a person who passed background and FBI
checks, fingerprinting, high costs, and other hassles to obtain a
firearm permit, would risk losing it? No. These are the least
likely people to commit a crime, with the exception of politicians.

I hope this bodyguard takes it to court and fights it. Probably, he
will lose his gun and be charged with a misdemeanor. If it were
me, I'd appeal and try to take it to the Supreme Court.

Bart

OzOne wrote

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:17:43 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

The reason MM has a bodyguard is because he ****ed off
about 90 million people.


I would sincerely hope that there are not 90 million people in the US
who would want to harm Moore....




Bart Senior January 20th 05 11:50 PM

Does Australia have a national permit? How hard are they to
get?


OzOne wrote

Like I said, you need a national law to cover this.


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:24:14 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

The two permit held by this bodyguard, allow this individual
to carry a permit in a total of 30 states, but not New York.

New York is one of the "NAZI" gun states that deny individuals
the right to protect themselves, unless they are rich liberal politicians.

This person was declaring it because he could not get it through
airport security. Even in checked baggage, it must be declared.

In New York, this will get you arrested, even if you are merely
changing planes passing through, without leaving the airport.

OzOne wrote

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.


He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Maxprop January 21st 05 12:34 AM


OzOne wrote in message

Like I said, you need a national law to cover this.


We once fought a war over state's rights. Such a law would probably
stimulate another civil war. g

Max



Maxprop January 21st 05 12:35 AM


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html


Crantz, you dumbass--you've just started the ubiquitous gun control thread
again. Nice going.

Max



Horvath January 21st 05 01:11 AM

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:53:48 GMT, wrote
this crap:

Meanwhile, where do you suppose criminals get their guns? That's right! They get
them by stealing them from assholes like you who really haven't a clue as too
how important it is to keep guns locked up securely. If someone who gets into
your house can get at your guns, you are irresponsible.



You are blaming gun owners for the criminals stealing guns? That is
the ****ING MOST INSANE THING I EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon January 21st 05 02:27 AM

wrote ...


Meanwhile, where do you suppose criminals get their guns? That's

right! They get
them by stealing them from assholes like you who really haven't a

clue as too
how important it is to keep guns locked up securely. If someone who

gets into
your house can get at your guns, you are irresponsible.



I sleep with my gun under my pillow, hammer cocked, finger on the
trigger.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_



DSK January 21st 05 02:32 AM

Scott Vernon wrote:
I sleep with my gun under my pillow, hammer cocked, finger on the
trigger.


I just keep mine under the covers, not under the pillow. And usually I
don't need to keep any fingers on it, still being a newlywed and all...

DSK


DSK January 21st 05 02:34 AM

We once fought a war over state's rights. Such a law would probably
stimulate another civil war. g


OzOne wrote:
Didn't the side that wanted to more freedom win?


No, actually the exact opposite. The Confederate States was the ultimate
states-rights organization.



Surely freedom to carry a weapon interstate is a basic American right
;-)


Of course. You just have to be careful about not getting caught!

DSK


Bob Crantz January 21st 05 04:50 AM

Do you understand the Constitution?

Did you know that gold is the only legal tender for payment of debt between
the states. Says so in the Constitution.

Molten lava and splinters foir you!

Amen!

BC

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

Hey Martin,

Can you not read?


I read quite well. It is however unfortunate that you lack the

literary tools to make your point, it you in fact have one, succinctly.


"It you in fact have one"?

Your literary tools and ability to understand the written word is
about a sharp as a bowling ball for colombine.

I thought I made a point with concise and precise brevity and was to
the point. You failed to comprehend, or you failed to read the news
link.


Do you support the Constitution of The United States of America?


Yes I do. And I have.

How do feel about the ethics and sentiments propounded in
the Declaration of Independence,


The Declaration of Independence and the liberties recognized in it are
grounded in a higher law to which all human laws are answerable. This
higher law can be understood to derive from reason...the truths of the
Declaration are held to be "self-evident"...but also revelation.


or are they also "liberal, lilly livered Kerry crap"?



Hey you have the God given right to suck up to a piece of **** liar
like moore. Just like I have the liberty and freedom to think he is a
using, sorry, low down, hunk of ****, dirtbag has-been, asshole.
Don't Like It?

Cheers back at you!

Joe




Cheers
Marty





Maxprop January 21st 05 05:04 AM


OzOne wrote in message

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:34:24 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message

Like I said, you need a national law to cover this.


We once fought a war over state's rights. Such a law would probably
stimulate another civil war. g

Max

Didn't the side that wanted to more freedom win?


Not in this lifetime. The Confederacy of Southern States lost the war. It
was they who were fighting for the rights of states to self-determine in
spite of federal mandates to the contrary on many issues.

Surely freedom to carry a weapon interstate is a basic American right


For some weapons, it is. Now handguns, that's a different story . . .

Max




Maxprop January 21st 05 05:06 AM


OzOne wrote in message

State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.


By all means. Of course no individuals in any organized society are truly
free.

Max



Horvath January 21st 05 12:11 PM

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:27:08 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


I sleep with my gun under my pillow, hammer cocked, finger on the
trigger.



Is it loaded with water?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK January 21st 05 12:15 PM

No, actually the exact opposite. The Confederate States was the ultimate
states-rights organization.


OzOne wrote:
State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.


Other than upholding slavery, the Confederacy granted far more liberty
to the individual citizen as well as to the states. It was actually too
free, there was no legal way for the central gov't to compel anything
from tax payment to military service. That left gov't in the hands of
the old-money aristocracy & business plutocracy, and pretty much total
freedom to the individual.

If the North had not invaded (hence the name of the war) most
Southerners would not have given a tinker's damn for their own
Confederate gov't and never enlisted for military service at all. As it
was, everybody signed up to tell the Yankees to git outta their yard.

Had the South won (and it was closer than many people realize) the
Confederacy would have fallen apart.

DSK


Martin Baxter January 21st 05 01:32 PM

Joe wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:

Joe wrote:


Hey Martin,

Can you not read?



I read quite well. It is however unfortunate that you lack the



literary tools to make your point, it you in fact have one, succinctly.


"It you in fact have one"?



Sorry Joe, replace the "t" with an "f", I am sure most adult readers would be able to solve that particular conundrum.


Your literary tools and ability to understand the written word is
about a sharp as a bowling ball for colombine.




I thought I made a point with concise and precise brevity and was to
the point.



Wading through your atrocious grammar is rather a chore, but then I surmise that you really have no idea that your grammatical skills are at best no
better than an average 9 year old, your logic lags somewhat further behind.

Do you support the Constitution of The United States of America?




Yes I do. And I have.


How do feel about the ethics and sentiments propounded in
the Declaration of Independence,




The Declaration of Independence and the liberties recognized in it are
grounded in a higher law to which all human laws are answerable. This
higher law can be understood to derive from reason...the truths of the
Declaration are held to be "self-evident"...but also revelation.



So that bit about freedom of speech and beliefs only applies if you share those beliefs? What about due process, oh sorry forget that, I recall that
you think that it's just fine for police to brutalize suspects, and incarceration without charge or trial is perfectly acceptable.




or are they also "liberal, lilly livered Kerry crap"?





Hey you have the God given right to suck up to a piece of **** liar
like moore. Just like I have the liberty and freedom to think he is a
using, sorry, low down, hunk of ****, dirtbag has-been, asshole.
Don't Like It?



Ah yes, the inevitable profanity, first resort of the blustering buffoon. A little comity would go a long way. You might note that I have never
expressed any support for Moore's particular view point, I do however think that wishing a man ill because you disagree with his view point is at best
irrational.

Do try and regain your composure, I wouldn't want you to rupture a blood vessel.

Cheers
Marty



Vito January 21st 05 02:21 PM

"Bob Crantz" wrote

Did you know that gold is the only legal tender for payment of debt

between
the states. Says so in the Constitution.


Where? Please quote section and article



Vito January 21st 05 02:27 PM

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
The two permit held by this bodyguard, allow this individual
to carry a permit in a total of 30 states, but not New York.

New York is one of the "NAZI" gun states that deny individuals
the right to protect themselves, unless they are rich liberal politicians.

This person was declaring it because he could not get it through
airport security. Even in checked baggage, it must be declared.

In New York, this will get you arrested, even if you are merely
changing planes passing through, without leaving the airport.


Hmmmm ... what does federal law say about that? I know it says I can
transport a gun thru NY in a car provided it is unloaded and in a locked
container. Seems the same would apply to baggage but then you know NY.



Vito January 21st 05 02:29 PM

Sad when a government doesn't trust its citizens with simple firearms ...


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:37 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Does Australia have a national permit? How hard are they to
get?


No National permit, each State has it's own laws, but if you are
licences in one State, you are permitted to carry your weapon in
another on a temporary/visitor status.
A pistol licence is extremely hard to obtain and for most purposes you
need to be in the security or protection industries to carry a pistol,
and even then it almost invariable cannot be concealed.
Sport shooters are allowed a pistol, but it must be locked up in the
licenced pistol club at all times other than when travelling to and
from a shooting range.

Then again, we only have 6 states to fall into line.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Vito January 21st 05 02:43 PM

OzOne wrote
Surely freedom to carry a weapon interstate is a basic American right


Federal law says one may transport firearms from one jurisdiction where they
are legal to another thru a jurisdiction where possession is restricted
provided certain packaging restrictions are met (eg, unloaded, in a locked
container). Trouble is local law enforcement resents this and will illegally
thwart it if they can.

Example - NJ police stop you and ask it you have guns, drugs, etc. You
admit having a gun properly cased IAW federal law in your trunk. They
demand to see it to record make and serial #. You comply. They hand the gun
back to you then arrest you ... gun is in your hand not in the case!!
Happened to a dude I know. That's why neither I nor my money go near such
states.



Vito January 21st 05 02:51 PM

OzOne wrote .
State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.


Oz, The war was not fought to free slaves as propaganda says - it was fought
over tarriffs. Lincoln's emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in
rebel states not, for example, in Maryland. Northern factories used
children instead of slaves - cheaper and more plentiful!



Joe January 21st 05 06:00 PM

Bwahahahahah.

I directed no profanity towards you Marty.

Just the steaming pile of **** Micheal Moore.

I'm all for freedom of speech Marty.

My speech starts like this.

Moore Sucks......................

You have a problem with that?

And BTW no one here, ever has a chance to raise by blood pressure at
all. It's all in fun, I take nothing here serious. So don't fret over
it.

And who said anything about it being just fine for police to brutalize
suspects, and incarceration without charge or trial is perfectly
acceptable? ............Not me!

It's OK for our troops to capture terrorist,and insurgents on the
battlefield and lock them up until the war is over. Thats been done in
every war I can think of, that and just shooting them.

And as far as my grammer skills I will try to do better. Thats one of
the main reason I'm here. I'm so thankful for you and the other grammer
and spelling nazis to show me the error of my ways.

Grammer has never been one of my priorties, if I have an important
letter, contract, ect.. to put together,I hire someone to make sure it
is correct.

Thanks for your help.

Joe


Capt. Neal® January 21st 05 06:06 PM


"Joe" wrote:

Grammer has never been one of my priorties, if I have an important
letter, contract, ect.. to put together,I hire someone to make sure it



What? How come you don't have Miss Terry correct it? ;-)

CN

Joe January 21st 05 06:17 PM


Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
"Joe" wrote:

Grammer has never been one of my priorties, if I have an important
letter, contract, ect.. to put together,I hire someone to make sure

it


What? How come you don't have Miss Terry correct it? ;-)

CN


I got a chuckle out of that one myself.

BTW you seem to be slacking in your ability to put together a good
troll lately. Whats up? Old age and retirement laziness getting to you?
You used to have the sharpest pencil around.

Joe


Capt. Neal® January 21st 05 06:30 PM


"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...

Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Joe" wrote:

Grammer has never been one of my priorties, if I have an important
letter, contract, ect.. to put together,I hire someone to make sure

it


What? How come you don't have Miss Terry correct it? ;-)

CN


I got a chuckle out of that one myself.


BTW you seem to be slacking in your ability to put together a good
troll lately. Whats up? Old age and retirement laziness getting to you?
You used to have the sharpest pencil around.


Joe



Some good female companionship is making me less ornery
and critical not to mention taking up some time.

Besides, somebody else needs to step up to wield the
trolling lines once in a while.

CN


Joe January 21st 05 07:09 PM


Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...

Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
"Joe" wrote:

Grammer has never been one of my priorties, if I have an

important
letter, contract, ect.. to put together,I hire someone to make

sure
it


What? How come you don't have Miss Terry correct it? ;-)

CN


I got a chuckle out of that one myself.


BTW you seem to be slacking in your ability to put together a good
troll lately. Whats up? Old age and retirement laziness getting to

you?
You used to have the sharpest pencil around.


Joe



Some good female companionship is making me less ornery
and critical not to mention taking up some time.



Well thats a good thing, enjoy it.


Besides, somebody else needs to step up to wield the
trolling lines once in a while.

Yeah, Since BBob changed his MO to being just a total waste case
asshole, we could use a few new anglers, he's a has been

Joe




CN



Scott Vernon January 22nd 05 01:49 AM


"Joe" wrote
BTW you seem to be slacking in your ability to put together a good
troll lately. Whats up? Old age and retirement laziness getting to
you?
You used to have the sharpest pencil around.

His pencil's been sharpened so many times there's nothing left but a
very small stub.

Scotty



Bob Crantz January 22nd 05 02:18 AM

Section. 10.

Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;
grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make
any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any
Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of
Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.



Bob Crantz January 22nd 05 02:19 AM

God Bless Jefferson Davis!

BC

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
No, actually the exact opposite. The Confederate States was the ultimate
states-rights organization.


OzOne wrote:
State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.


Other than upholding slavery, the Confederacy granted far more liberty
to the individual citizen as well as to the states. It was actually too
free, there was no legal way for the central gov't to compel anything
from tax payment to military service. That left gov't in the hands of
the old-money aristocracy & business plutocracy, and pretty much total
freedom to the individual.

If the North had not invaded (hence the name of the war) most
Southerners would not have given a tinker's damn for their own
Confederate gov't and never enlisted for military service at all. As it
was, everybody signed up to tell the Yankees to git outta their yard.

Had the South won (and it was closer than many people realize) the
Confederacy would have fallen apart.

DSK




Bob Crantz January 22nd 05 02:22 AM

Why end there?

I blame flies for creating garbage!

Amen

BC

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:53:48 GMT, wrote
this crap:

Meanwhile, where do you suppose criminals get their guns? That's right!

They get
them by stealing them from assholes like you who really haven't a clue as

too
how important it is to keep guns locked up securely. If someone who gets

into
your house can get at your guns, you are irresponsible.



You are blaming gun owners for the criminals stealing guns? That is
the ****ING MOST INSANE THING I EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Bob Crantz January 22nd 05 02:24 AM

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where ever he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?

BC

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html


Crantz, you dumbass--you've just started the ubiquitous gun control thread
again. Nice going.

Max






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