OzOne wrote

The state has to fear a situation where thee are tens of thousands
of
gunshot deaths each year during silly incidents like road rage, and
arguments over fences, dogs and cats.


there's too damn many people on this planet anyways.

SV.

"DSK" wrote in message

Had the South won (and it was closer than many people realize) the
Confederacy would have fallen apart.

I once heard that New Bern was to have been the titular capital of the
South, had they been victorious. Any veracity to that?

Max

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where ever he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?

My 10ga. signaling cannon. Hurts no one, but gets one's attention rather
nicely.

Max

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:24:26 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote this crap:

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where ever he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?


There's no best one. You need a shotgun for close range, a rifle for
long range, and each of your crew should have pistols. If you're
going up against the coasties, you need at least one Ma Deuce, and
probably a swivel gun.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:03:45 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where ever he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?

My 10ga. signaling cannon. Hurts no one, but gets one's attention rather
nicely.


****ing toy. You've just shown that you know nothing about guns.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

I wear a pair of black powder pistols and an eye patch. Haven't been
boarded yet.

Scotty, Arrgggggg

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:24:26 GMT, "Bob Crantz"

wrote this crap:

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where
ever he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?


There's no best one. You need a shotgun for close range, a rifle
for
long range, and each of your crew should have pistols. If you're
going up against the coasties, you need at least one Ma Deuce, and
probably a swivel gun.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

OzOne wrote


Guess what, words don't kill.


But they can hurt.


You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, and only 45,000 motor vehicle deaths.
Consider that motor vehicles are used each day by most people and,
if
you're a thinking person, see the point.

The point is, we should outlaw cars. Riiiiight.

SV

Guns don't pollute. Cars do. The entire planet is being killed off by global
warming. We must ban cars!

Your premise about guns and gun ownership is false. As long as one doens't
violate the rights of another, no justification of owning anything to anyone
is required. You are, at heart, a totalitarian. It is the same form of
reasoning that a right wing religious nut uses, just different specifics.

I own guns for my family's protection. I want my 5 year old to be able to
take on a burglar when we leave her home alone. She can handle a 22 mag with
great proficiency. Why dial 911 and wait for help when you can pull a
trigger and then dial 911 to come and pick up the body?

Amen!

BC


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:12:50 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote


Guess what, words don't kill.


But they can hurt.


You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, and only 45,000 motor vehicle deaths.
Consider that motor vehicles are used each day by most people and,
if
you're a thinking person, see the point.

The point is, we should outlaw cars. Riiiiight.

SV


Hey, ya got two choices here, you could show the real value of guns by
forcing people to carry one every time they went for a drive...pretty
soon, congestion on the roads would be non existent.....and no-one
would need to buy those stick on bullet holes anymore......do they
sell them in the US or do they just have the real thing :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Gun Crime Soars in Run Up to New Laws

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday, October 28, 1998

Crime involving the use of guns is on the rise despite tougher laws - but
gun control lobbyists maintain Australia is becoming a safer place.

The number of robberies with guns jumped 39 per cent in 1997 to 2,183,
according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, while assaults involving
guns rose 28 per cent to 806 and murders by 19 per cent to 75.

Almost half of firearm killings in the seven years to 1997 involved weapons
which are now prohibited or restricted following the slaughter of 35 people
at Port Arthur in 1996, according to Australian Institute of Criminology
research.

But gun groups say the new controls have created a thriving black market.

"Before registration, there was no illegal market for long arms and
semi-automatics," the president of the Firearm Owners' Association of
Australia, Mr Ron Owen, said. "Now the black market of pistols has increased
tenfold, and both criminals and non-criminals seek them. And the black
market of machine-guns has at least tripled." However, the national
spokesman for the Coalition for Gun Control, Mr Roland Brown, described the
$500 million gun buy-back scheme which has taken 640,000 weapons out of
circulation as an "unqualified success". "Australia is a safer place," he
said.

But the 1997 statistics were "next to useless" because the new national laws
were not in force completely until July this year.

"Figures for 2000 or 2001 will be more useful," he said.

"It can take five or 10 years for these laws to become fully effective and
for the results to show. A good performance indicator is that there has been
a change in the composition of arsenals of guns.

"No longer are most people able to own semi-automatics or pump action
shotguns.

"Rapid-fire weapons are just about finished in Australia - and this has
reduced the prospect of mass killings significantly."

The gun control lobby also says crime statistics can be misleading. Latest
research shows that a third of all firearm murders involve intimate partners
and a fifth is followed by the suicide of the offender.


OzOne wrote in message ...
On 20 Jan 2005 09:44:26 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

Hey Martin,

Can you not read?
I said " to bad the sorry fat ass slob MF Moore was not packing"

I did not say they should arrest the sorry MF because his idiot moron
body guard was packing without a permit at an airport.

They need to lock up his body guard, not the trud breath, super sized,
fat ass, low down, hunk of ****, un-American liar Moore, just the
idiot that give a **** if someone takes him out.
Sheeeeeze your as swift, as a Kerry supporter.

Joe

Yep, that's our Joe....If you don't like someone, murder em....If you
don't like their politics....Murder em.

Saddam had the same idea!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...y.asp?aid=8073


OzOne wrote in message ...
On 20 Jan 2005 08:22:03 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:

They need to lock that sorry MF up and throw away the key.
To bad the fat slob was not packing.

Joe

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.
He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.bcwf.bc.ca/s=122/bcw1069915015293/



OzOne wrote in message ...

Like I said, you need a national law to cover this.


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:24:14 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

The two permit held by this bodyguard, allow this individual
to carry a permit in a total of 30 states, but not New York.

New York is one of the "NAZI" gun states that deny individuals
the right to protect themselves, unless they are rich liberal
politicians.

This person was declaring it because he could not get it through
airport security. Even in checked baggage, it must be declared.

In New York, this will get you arrested, even if you are merely
changing planes passing through, without leaving the airport.

OzOne wrote

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.

He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.ssaa.org.au/ilasep98.html

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:37 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Does Australia have a national permit? How hard are they to
get?

No National permit, each State has it's own laws, but if you are
licences in one State, you are permitted to carry your weapon in
another on a temporary/visitor status.
A pistol licence is extremely hard to obtain and for most purposes you
need to be in the security or protection industries to carry a pistol,
and even then it almost invariable cannot be concealed.
Sport shooters are allowed a pistol, but it must be locked up in the
licenced pistol club at all times other than when travelling to and
from a shooting range.

Then again, we only have 6 states to fall into line.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:25:34 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

Your logic:
It's the guns, not the act. Outlaw guns and gun crimes disappear!

Ahhh yes, the simple logic of a simpleton.
Tell me Bob, why do you feel you need a gun to protect yourself?
Could it be taht you like the idea of equal force?

Tell you what, take the guns out of the equation and substitute
words/abuse.
Guess what, words don't kill.

Now replace "guns" with liquor.

Hmmm liquor doesn't kill either, well at not instantly.

Next you be smashing printing presses.

No, not at all.
You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, and only 45,000 motor vehicle deaths.
Consider that motor vehicles are used each day by most people and, if
you're a thinking person, see the point.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=438




OzOne wrote in message ...


Even sadder is when an entire population feels it needs a gun to be
safe

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:29:57 -0500, "Vito"
scribbled thusly:

Sad when a government doesn't trust its citizens with simple firearms ...


OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:50:37 -0500, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

Does Australia have a national permit? How hard are they to
get?

No National permit, each State has it's own laws, but if you are
licences in one State, you are permitted to carry your weapon in
another on a temporary/visitor status.
A pistol licence is extremely hard to obtain and for most purposes you
need to be in the security or protection industries to carry a pistol,
and even then it almost invariable cannot be concealed.
Sport shooters are allowed a pistol, but it must be locked up in the
licenced pistol club at all times other than when travelling to and
from a shooting range.

Then again, we only have 6 states to fall into line.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~confiles/ipareview.html

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:34:24 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message

Like I said, you need a national law to cover this.

We once fought a war over state's rights. Such a law would probably
stimulate another civil war. g

Max

Didn't the side that wanted to more freedom win?
Surely freedom to carry a weapon interstate is a basic American right
;-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

http://www.guncontrolaustralia.org/

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:34:41 -0500, DSK
scribbled thusly:

We once fought a war over state's rights. Such a law would probably
stimulate another civil war. g


OzOne wrote:
Didn't the side that wanted to more freedom win?

No, actually the exact opposite. The Confederate States was the ultimate
states-rights organization.
State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:12:50 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote


Guess what, words don't kill.


But they can hurt.


You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, and only 45,000 motor vehicle deaths.
Consider that motor vehicles are used each day by most people and,
if
you're a thinking person, see the point.

The point is, we should outlaw cars. Riiiiight.

SV


Hey, ya got two choices here, you could show the real value of guns by
forcing people to carry one every time they went for a drive...pretty
soon, congestion on the roads would be non existent.....and no-one
would need to buy those stick on bullet holes anymore......do they
sell them in the US or do they just have the real thing :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Hey, we have "shall issue" laws in Michigan. The cops were dead set against
it, so far, AFAIK, there have been no incidents with individuals CCWing,
cross your fingers.

John Cairns

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:37 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year,


Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. There's about 3,000 gun accidents
each year. There's 60,000 children hospitalized in bicycle accidents
each year. Why don't we outlaw bicycles?





and only 45,000 motor vehicle deaths.
Consider that motor vehicles are used each day by most people and, if
you're a thinking person, see the point.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You do realize that the "statistics" in this article are bogus? Of
course you do, yet you keep posting them.

The crime rates are actually lower in Australia, and for the most part
were unchanged by the gun laws. Robbery, however, did decrease. Was
this because of the law?



Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...y.asp?aid=8073


OzOne wrote in message ...

On 20 Jan 2005 08:22:03 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:


They need to lock that sorry MF up and throw away the key.
To bad the fat slob was not packing.

Joe

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.
He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

That's not my point. Ozone just keeps biting, even at the bare hooks.

BC

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
You do realize that the "statistics" in this article are bogus? Of
course you do, yet you keep posting them.

The crime rates are actually lower in Australia, and for the most part
were unchanged by the gun laws. Robbery, however, did decrease. Was
this because of the law?



Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...y.asp?aid=8073


OzOne wrote in message
...

On 20 Jan 2005 08:22:03 -0800, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:


They need to lock that sorry MF up and throw away the key.
To bad the fat slob was not packing.

Joe

Only thing the guard did wrong was not have a licence to carry a
pistol in that state.
He declared it at checkin so was obviously unaware that he was in
breach.....Ya don't need to be smart to carry a gun.

Seems you need to look at national laws to cover this.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:17:53 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:59:00 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:37 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year,


Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. There's about 3,000 gun accidents
each year. There's 60,000 children hospitalized in bicycle accidents
each year. Why don't we outlaw bicycles?

Jeez sorry if I've upset you Holly....I'm only quoting from your Govt
figures


Those are bull**** figures that you pulled out of your ass.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message


On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:03:45 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Let's keep it going! In the tradition of dear old Gilligan, where ever
he
may be!

What's the best fire arm for a yacht?

My 10ga. signaling cannon. Hurts no one, but gets one's attention rather
nicely.


****ing toy. You've just shown that you know nothing about guns.

LOL. I've forgotten more about guns than you've ever known. Don't even go
there.

Max

Horvath wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:17:53 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:59:00 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:


On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:22:37 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year,


Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. There's about 3,000 gun accidents
each year. There's 60,000 children hospitalized in bicycle accidents
each year. Why don't we outlaw bicycles?

Jeez sorry if I've upset you Holly....I'm only quoting from your Govt
figures



Those are bull**** figures that you pulled out of your ass.

Roughly 30,000 gun deaths. More than half are suicide, followed by
homicide and then accidents. "Legal interventions" are a tiny fraction.

If we look at age, 158 kids, 16 and under, died in 2002 in bicycle
accidents. 977 children died from firearms.

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:02:02 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. There's about 3,000 gun accidents
each year. There's 60,000 children hospitalized in bicycle accidents
each year. Why don't we outlaw bicycles?

Jeez sorry if I've upset you Holly....I'm only quoting from your Govt
figures


Those are bull**** figures that you pulled out of your ass.

Ahhh, the cry of the deluded gun nut!

3,000 gun accidents....maybe. I'd have to check.

30,242 dead in 2002.




In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and
3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find
that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19
age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest
crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school
and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun
control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are
the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow
criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news
stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every
one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so
often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.

Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides
typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of
Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than
2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:11:12 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:

My 10ga. signaling cannon. Hurts no one, but gets one's attention rather
nicely.


****ing toy. You've just shown that you know nothing about guns.

LOL. I've forgotten more about guns than you've ever known. Don't even go
there.


Heh Heh Heh. Have you already forgotten that I was once one of the
biggest arms dealers in North America? I know more about military
weapons than you can ever dream.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:40:41 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:


Roughly 30,000 gun deaths. More than half are suicide, followed by
homicide and then accidents. "Legal interventions" are a tiny fraction.




In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and
3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find
that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19
age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest
crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school
and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun
control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are
the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow
criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news
stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every
one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so
often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.

Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides
typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of
Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than
2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:45:13 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:40:41 -0500, Jeff Morris
scribbled thusly:

Roughly 30,000 gun deaths. More than half are suicide, followed by
homicide and then accidents. "Legal interventions" are a tiny fraction.

If we look at age, 158 kids, 16 and under, died in 2002 in bicycle
accidents. 977 children died from firearms.

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Sad isn't it, over 17,000 people who blew their brains out because
they were depressed and a gun was al too handy.


And a car in a garage isn't handy? Or a handfull of pills?

A friend of mine tried to commit suicide by taking a whole bottle of
aspirin. After the first two, he felt better.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:42:57 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:


There ya go, you made my point.
With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help.

Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger and the lights go out.


Why don't you try it, and tell us what it's like.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:36:26 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and
3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find
that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19
age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest
crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school
and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun
control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are
the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow
criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news
stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every
one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so
often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.

Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides
typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of
Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than
2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm


Hey Holly, it still adds up to 30,242 dead people!


1776+3385= 39,242.

What grade school did you go to?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:51:09 -0500, "Vito"
scribbled thusly:

OzOne wrote .
State rights is one thing, freedom of the people is different I think.

Oz, The war was not fought to free slaves as propaganda says .....

Weren't the slaves in Maryland free?

No. Maryland, West Virginia and Missouri (?) kept slaves until the 13th
Amendment was ratified in December 1865, over two years after Lincoln's
proclamation, which came near the end of the war and only applied to rebel
states.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Section. 10.

Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or
Confederation;
grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit;
make
any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any
Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of
Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Thanks, I forgot that part. A man I knew cited it to claim that drivers
(and other) licenses were "Titles of Nobility" that granted 'privileges' and
were thus unconstitutional. He never won (had a judge agree) but never lost
either (case always thrown out) and kept on driving til he died of old age.

OzOne wrote
The state has to fear a situation where thee are tens of thousands of
gunshot deaths each year during silly incidents like road rage, and
arguments over fences, dogs and cats.

Jeeze, is it like that in Oz? I never imagined!! Certainly not like that
here.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm

OzOne wrote
You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, .....

Where on earth did you got that number? Please cite your source.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm

Vito wrote:
OzOne wrote

You need the press to publicise the fact that there are 30,000 gun
deaths in the US each year, .....


Where on earth did you got that number? Please cite your source.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm



I already posted a source for that. It does require about 10 seconds of
work to access the database.
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

You're confusing "gun deaths" with "homicide." The majority of gun
deaths in the US are suicides.

"Horvath" wrote in message

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:11:12 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:

My 10ga. signaling cannon. Hurts no one, but gets one's attention
rather
nicely.


****ing toy. You've just shown that you know nothing about guns.

LOL. I've forgotten more about guns than you've ever known. Don't even
go
there.


Heh Heh Heh. Have you already forgotten that I was once one of the
biggest arms dealers in North America? I know more about military
weapons than you can ever dream.

Nope, haven't forgotten that, because I never knew it in the first place.
You must be 'Don' of "Don's Guns" in Indianapolis. He was the largest at
one time. Actually I think he's serving time at gummint expense these days.

You probably do know more about military arms that I. That doesn't alter
the fact that you are dead wrong about my knowledge of firearms.

Max

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:40:41 -0500, Jeff Morris
scribbled thusly:

Roughly 30,000 gun deaths. More than half are suicide, followed by
homicide and then accidents. "Legal interventions" are a tiny
fraction.

If we look at age, 158 kids, 16 and under, died in 2002 in bicycle
accidents. 977 children died from firearms.

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Sad isn't it, over 17,000 people who blew their brains out because
they were depressed and a gun was al too handy.

Sad indeed, it would have been much better if they had used a knife,
or a rope, or overdosed on drugs, or sucked a car tailpipe, or, well,
anything but a gun.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message n




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

There ya go, you made my point.
With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help.

You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know
that.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:29:26 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

Sad isn't it, over 17,000 people who blew their brains out
because
they were depressed and a gun was al too handy.

Sad indeed, it would have been much better if they had used a
knife,
or a rope, or overdosed on drugs, or sucked a car tailpipe, or,
well,
anything but a gun.

Scotty


Yep, at least with a knife,rope,drug,or exhaust, you have the
opportunity to change you mind and call for help.

You can change your mind while swinging from a rope, but it won't help
any.

SV

OzOne wrote

Scooter, back when, I attempted a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty
of


Keep trying.

;)

You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger.
Anyways, they'll just try again.

Scooter

OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message n




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

There ya go, you made my point.
With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help.

You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't
know
that.

Scotty

Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you.

Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty
of
them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and
unsuccessfully tried to call for help.
You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd
tried
to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to
call, but help arrived too late.

Never seen that in a gunshot suicide.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.