On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:48:45 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:
...
The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest
murder rate.


What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to
look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a
higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of Massachusetts.


That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:40:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?


ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:08:09 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:


Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more likely
to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the
truth, not your bogus "logic."


That's in YOUR house, not mine. I live alone.

Nor in my house, and I don't live alone.

Max

Nah, too messy. I think the running car in a garage would be a nice
way to go.

Pleasant dreams.....
Scotty


OzOne wrote in message
...

Guns are good ....... for suicide!

http://movies.theshreves.com/rbdwyer.mpeg


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:13:06 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:


What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to
look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a
higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of
Massachusetts.


That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.


The word was RATE Holly!

Well duh. If a village population has 200 people and one gets murdered, the
murder rate is astronomically higher than even NYC or Washington, DC. Rates
mean very little when presented completely out of context or with no common
frame of reference.

Max

There's that idiotic whacko anti-gun phrase again. Need one?

Do you NEED a TV? I bet you have one......at least one.

Scotty


OzOne wrote

...you live there and feel you need
one......

"Horvath" wrote


That's in YOUR house, not mine. I live alone.


Yeah, we pretty much figured that.

SV

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:40:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?


ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you sure?

Just about everybody I know owns at least one gun, and no shootings so
far.

Scotty


"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Horvath" wrote in message

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:08:09 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:


Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more
likely
to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's
the
truth, not your bogus "logic."


That's in YOUR house, not mine. I live alone.

Nor in my house, and I don't live alone.

Max

Jeff Morris wrote:

Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more
likely
to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the
truth, not your bogus "logic."


Yes and we should remove all drugs from homes due to the possiable
abuse by idiots. Cars, Bikes, skateboards, waterskis, footballs,
knives, bathtubs, stoves, rope, lawnmowers, razors , spraypaint, any
chemical, tools, I could go on.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Jeff Morris wrote:

Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more

likely

to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the
truth, not your bogus "logic."



Yes and we should remove all drugs from homes due to the possiable
abuse by idiots. Cars, Bikes, skateboards, waterskis, footballs,
knives, bathtubs, stoves, rope, lawnmowers, razors , spraypaint, any
chemical, tools, I could go on.

That's a pretty stupid analogy, but about what I'd expect from you. Its
not that guns *can* be abused, its that they *are* abused. If your
doctor told you that a headache medicine is more likely to kill you than
cure your headache, would you still bring it in the house?

Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:48:45 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:
...

The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest
murder rate.


What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to
look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a
higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of Massachusetts.



That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.

Actually, Alaska has more people than Boston. Is there no limit to the
depth of your ignorance?

Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message


On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:13:06 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:



What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to
look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a
higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of
Massachusetts.


That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.


The word was RATE Holly!


Well duh. If a village population has 200 people and one gets murdered, the
murder rate is astronomically higher than even NYC or Washington, DC. Rates
mean very little when presented completely out of context or with no common
frame of reference.

And what context are the rates "taken out of"? Its true that the murder
rate in Alaska fluctuates more than other state due to the limited
sampling, but even with that, its above average almost every year.
There's nothing wrong with the method, the rates are high. You can
attribute that to a variety of causes, but the numbers are real.

Guns hardly ever kill people unless they blow up or something.

Bullets kill people, not guns. Ban bullets.

CN


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:
Jeff Morris wrote:

Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more

likely

to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the
truth, not your bogus "logic."



Yes and we should remove all drugs from homes due to the possiable
abuse by idiots. Cars, Bikes, skateboards, waterskis, footballs,
knives, bathtubs, stoves, rope, lawnmowers, razors , spraypaint, any
chemical, tools, I could go on.

That's a pretty stupid analogy, but about what I'd expect from you. Its
not that guns *can* be abused, its that they *are* abused. If your
doctor told you that a headache medicine is more likely to kill you than
cure your headache, would you still bring it in the house?

Sorry. Some things just aren't worth the grey matter to store them.

Overproof wrote:
"bell" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:31:31 -0500, "bell"
scribbled thusly:

OzOne wrote:

Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of
suicides,

Are you related to Dr. Kevorkian?

No, are you?

No but I haven't attended any suicides, You stated that
you had, that's why I asked.


Aw Cripes Bell... do keep up will you... everyone here
knows that Ozone is an ex-copper who was on the take... he quit the
force before they caught on and now claims
that his wealth is due to prudent investments as opposed
to links to the underworld.
He's "New Money" ...... and it shows.

CM

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:40:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?


ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you sure?

Yes. For once I agree with Holly.

"Jeff Morris" wrote


Yes and we should remove all drugs from homes due to the possiable
abuse by idiots. Cars, Bikes, skateboards, waterskis, footballs,
knives, bathtubs, stoves, rope, lawnmowers, razors , spraypaint,
any
chemical, tools, I could go on.

That's a pretty stupid analogy, but about what I'd expect from you.
Its
not that guns *can* be abused, its that they *are* abused.


It's not a stupid analogy. PEOPLE abuse guns. Just as PEOPLE can
abuse most anything. Blame the abusing PEOPLE, not the object being
abused. Think about it, Jeff.


If your
doctor told you that a headache medicine is more likely to kill you
than
cure your headache, would you still bring it in the house?

Yes, if he told me that those people were abusing the med and
instructed me on the proper application.

I bet you're one of those that thinks pot smoking leads to crack
addiction.

Scotty

"bell" wrote in message
...
Sorry. Some things just aren't worth the grey matter to store them.

You must be a fan of Arthur C. Doyle.
Scout

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Jeff Morris" wrote


Yes and we should remove all drugs from homes due to the possiable
abuse by idiots. Cars, Bikes, skateboards, waterskis, footballs,
knives, bathtubs, stoves, rope, lawnmowers, razors , spraypaint,

any

chemical, tools, I could go on.


That's a pretty stupid analogy, but about what I'd expect from you.

Its

not that guns *can* be abused, its that they *are* abused.



It's not a stupid analogy. PEOPLE abuse guns. Just as PEOPLE can
abuse most anything. Blame the abusing PEOPLE, not the object being
abused. Think about it, Jeff.

OK, let me think. Hmmmmmm. Yup, I thought on it. Its still a stupid
analogy. I'm just pointing out that although the standard argument is
that guns are "needed for protection" but in fact, the gun you bring
into the house is far more likely to used to kill a family member than
protect against an intruder.

In my mind, the "abusing people" are the idiots that insist a heavy
machine gun or and assault weapon are also necessary for "home
protection". Or that its important that everyone is able to purchase
any weapon with no delays or background checks.

For all the nonsense about "strict laws," the Massachusetts law,
considered the strictest in the country, simply prevents convicted
felons and patients of mental institutions from buying a handgun. The
license also requires a simple safety certificate, and is processed
through the local police department. Unless you're a felon or mentally
ill, its easier than getting a driver's license.

So what's the big deal? Are you claiming gun control is bad because
felons can't get assault weapons? Mental patients can't get machine
guns? What's the issue here?


I bet you're one of those that thinks pot smoking leads to crack
addiction.

heh, heh, if only the truth be known ... but I can say no more

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I bet you're one of those that thinks pot smoking leads to crack
addiction.


Wait a minute... I think I might be addicted to 'crack'...... Oh! wait...
did you mean crack cocaine? I never touched that stuff.... it just doesn't
appeal to me.

CM

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:56:02 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I bet you're one of those that thinks pot smoking leads to crack
addiction.

Scotty


It obviously did in your case.

You sayin' Scotty is addicted to Pussy??

CM

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
For all the nonsense about "strict laws," the Massachusetts law,
considered the strictest in the country, simply prevents convicted felons
and patients of mental institutions from buying a handgun. The license
also requires a simple safety certificate, and is processed through the
local police department. Unless you're a felon or mentally ill, its
easier than getting a driver's license.

That's a load of **** Jeff..... we've had registration in Canada for 20
years on handguns and automatic weapons.... it never stopped the criminals.
Now only law abiding people have to pay upwards of $200 to own a firearm...
let alone the fees to use one.

The criminals on the other hand now have access to whatever they want and I
just don't think they bother with registration.

So what's the big deal? Are you claiming gun control is bad because
felons can't get assault weapons? Mental patients can't get machine guns?
What's the issue here?

It's all crap... mental patients will inded get guns because background
checks are faulty... it happens up here all the time. Criminals now have an
easier time getting weapons. Only the law abiding are left defenceless.

heh, heh, if only the truth be known ... but I can say no more

The truth is Jeff... that pot smoking does NOT lead to crack cocaine... no
more than having a beer leads to being an alcoholic..... and that's a
fact.

CM

"bell" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:40:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?


ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you sure?

Yes. For once I agree with Holly.

Good... then let's Outlaw, automobiles, dangerous sports, oil refineries,
war, gold mining, .... Aw ****... let's Outlaw everything fun and
profitable.... will that make you happy?

CM

Overproof wrote:
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message

For all the nonsense about "strict laws," the Massachusetts law,
considered the strictest in the country, simply prevents convicted felons
and patients of mental institutions from buying a handgun. The license
also requires a simple safety certificate, and is processed through the
local police department. Unless you're a felon or mentally ill, its
easier than getting a driver's license.


That's a load of **** Jeff..... we've had registration in Canada for 20
years on handguns and automatic weapons.... it never stopped the criminals.
Now only law abiding people have to pay upwards of $200 to own a firearm...
let alone the fees to use one.

The criminals on the other hand now have access to whatever they want and I
just don't think they bother with registration.


And yet, your homicide rate is a small fraction of the rate in the US.
Its even lower than in Massachusetts. How do you explain that?



So what's the big deal? Are you claiming gun control is bad because
felons can't get assault weapons? Mental patients can't get machine guns?
What's the issue here?


It's all crap... mental patients will inded get guns because background
checks are faulty... it happens up here all the time. Criminals now have an
easier time getting weapons. Only the law abiding are left defenceless.


heh, heh, if only the truth be known ... but I can say no more


The truth is Jeff... that pot smoking does NOT lead to crack cocaine... no
more than having a beer leads to being an alcoholic..... and that's a
fact.

Maybe you're right ... I've never even seen crack cocaine.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:35:42 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:

That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.

Actually, Alaska has more people than Boston. Is there no limit to the
depth of your ignorance?


Alaska
People QuickFacts Alaska USA
Population, 2003 estimate 648,818




Total population (Boston): 682,062



It wasn't hard to find this, dumbass.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:03:20 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:40:15 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?


ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you sure?


****ing A.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:17:40 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:

That's because it IS personal.


Nah, it's not Holly.
I live in here, without a gun...you live there and feel you need
one......at least.


Oh, I don't NEED one. And I don't need a car, and I don't need Action
Comics #1, and I don't need dumbasses like you.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:35:42 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap:


Horvath wrote:

That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.

Actually, Alaska has more people than Boston. Is there no limit to the
depth of your ignorance?



Alaska
People QuickFacts Alaska USA
Population, 2003 estimate 648,818




Total population (Boston): 682,062



It wasn't hard to find this, dumbass.

You are softer than puppy ****, holly. Do you think I don't know the
population of the city I've lived in all my life? Do you think you can
just make up a bogus number and I wouldn't notice?

The latest estimate (2003) is 581,616

http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/...EST2003-01.pdf

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Nah, too messy. I think the running car in a garage would be a nice
way to go.

Hypothermic suicide is probably best, according to those who've survived.
One apparently gets an extreme sense of well-being, almost to the point of
euphoria just before lights out.

Max

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message


On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:13:06 -0500, Horvath
scribbled thusly:



What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to
look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a
higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of
Massachusetts.


That's bull****. Alaska has less people than Boston.


The word was RATE Holly!


Well duh. If a village population has 200 people and one gets murdered,
the murder rate is astronomically higher than even NYC or Washington, DC.
Rates mean very little when presented completely out of context or with
no common frame of reference.

And what context are the rates "taken out of"? Its true that the murder
rate in Alaska fluctuates more than other state due to the limited
sampling, but even with that, its above average almost every year. There's
nothing wrong with the method, the rates are high. You can attribute that
to a variety of causes, but the numbers are real.

Are you implying that one has a greater chance of being murdered in Alaska
than say, NYC? Take a course in statistics and get back to me on that,
Jeff.

Max

Max

"Overproof" wrote in message

Good... then let's Outlaw, automobiles, dangerous sports, oil refineries,
war, gold mining, .... Aw ****... let's Outlaw everything fun and
profitable.... will that make you happy?

Certainly, even up there in the permafrost, it has occurred to you that
folks generally want to outlaw only those things that have no impact upon
their likes, activities, and such?

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Guns hardly ever kill people unless they blow up or something.

Bullets kill people, not guns. Ban bullets.

Actually people kill people. With guns, baseball bats, kitchen knives, full
bathtubs, automobiles, motorcycles, skateboards, power tools, chainsaws,
vases, bronze statues, bowling balls, ski poles, icecicles, bicycles, guitar
strings, garden tools, switchblades, meat cleavers, gasoline, fireworks,
golf clubs, golf balls, tennis rackets, cricket bats, gold-plated altar
crosses, dinner plates, steak knives, rope, lakes, rivers, puddles, shoes,
lawn tractors, garden hoses, electrical kitchen appliances, drugs, exhaust
fumes, boats, airplanes, fists, bare feet, nunchucks, pillows, bare hands,
oars, paddles, boat propellers, rocks, bottles, arrows, spears, 2x4s,
bricks, compressed air, dog toys, rat poison, chains, starvation,
electrocution, lethal injection, and lethal gas.

Ban all those things? Ban people?

Max

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message

And yet, your homicide rate is a small fraction of the rate in the US. Its
even lower than in Massachusetts. How do you explain that?

Easy. When you subtract the gang and drug-related murders, the US rates are
comparable with most other countries of similar population density. Gang
and drug murders are urban and cultural problems, which don't affect the
mainstream of US life. Less than 2% of the population has a murder rate
more than 1000x that of the other 98%. The fact that city, county, state,
and the federal government have chosen to do nothing about gangs and drugs
is the issue, not guns.

Of course the anti-gun extremists won't consider removing that population
demographic to make fair and accurate comparisons. Instead they refer to
the gang/drug killings as a bunch of "scare little kids" getting killed by
nasty guns.

Max

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message

And yet, your homicide rate is a small fraction of the rate in the US. Its
even lower than in Massachusetts. How do you explain that?

Hint: It hasn't significantly lowered the criminal use. We are only 32
million people in a country bigger than the USA. Canada as a country is
prone to complancency rather than violent action.
I could shoot clay pigeons on my beach 10 years ago...... now I'm prohibited
from firing a weapon unless it's a designated area. It all started 20 years
ago with the first step to infringe on our freedom to own a firearm.....
it's cost Billions and only served to run the business underground and
hobble the law abiding population.

Maybe you're right ... I've never even seen crack cocaine.

Neither have I..... in my day it was Window Pane or Purple Double Dome.

CM

Maxprop wrote:
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

Well duh. If a village population has 200 people and one gets murdered,
the murder rate is astronomically higher than even NYC or Washington, DC.
Rates mean very little when presented completely out of context or with
no common frame of reference.

And what context are the rates "taken out of"? Its true that the murder
rate in Alaska fluctuates more than other state due to the limited
sampling, but even with that, its above average almost every year. There's
nothing wrong with the method, the rates are high. You can attribute that
to a variety of causes, but the numbers are real.


Are you implying that one has a greater chance of being murdered in Alaska
than say, NYC? Take a course in statistics and get back to me on that,
Jeff.

I think you're the one who needs a refresher course. According to the
2003 FBI reports, the rate of violent crime in Metro NYC (per 100,000)
is 483 while the murder/non negligent manslaughter rate is 5.2. For
Alaska those number are higher, 593 and 6.0 respectively. As I said,
you can find slightly lower numbers some years, much higher numbers in
other, but overall the rate in Alaska are rather high. New York, on the
other hand has had a remarkable "safety wave" where the crime rates have
fallen dramatically.

Sorry if the truth runs against your preconceived notions, MP. If you
live in Alaska, you run a higher risk of being murdered than if you live
in New York City. BTW, the murder rates in "rural Alaska" are actually
higher than in "metropolitan Alaska."

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm#cius

"Overproof" wrote

Scotty


It obviously did in your case.

You sayin' Scotty is addicted to Pussy??


He's saying he never tried it.

Scotty

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Are you implying that one has a greater chance of being murdered in Alaska
than say, NYC? Take a course in statistics and get back to me on that,
Jeff.

It sounded to me that that was what he was implying...... the whole
concept is flawed... like most of his arguments.

It's simple..... they'll take it all away in little bits over the next
twenty years..... if you let them take the first step.

More People = More Rules... you wonder why I support rampant suicides?

CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Hypothermic suicide is probably best, according to those who've survived.
One apparently gets an extreme sense of well-being, almost to the point of
euphoria just before lights out.

There's a thought for the next Ice Fishing trip.......


CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, even up there in the permafrost, it has occurred to you that
folks generally want to outlaw only those things that have no impact upon
their likes, activities, and such?

Actually Max.... it's getting to feel more and more like a bunch of Liberal
assholes want to tell me what's good for me..... and everything they
propose takes a bite out of my wallet ... when nothing was wrong with the
way it was!!! They'll tell you that smoking is bad for you... drinking is
bad for you.... driving fast is bad for you... sailing in a gale is bad for
you.... climbing a mountain is bad for you.... hunting your own food is bad
for you..... protecting yourself is bad for you..... not doing as you are
told is bad for you...... How far are you willing to travel down this
road?

I can't believe the pillars of the conservative view on this newsgroup would
sink so low as to troll liberal values...... it's disgusting!

CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Nah, too messy. I think the running car in a garage would be a
nice
way to go.

Hypothermic suicide is probably best, according to those who've
survived.
One apparently gets an extreme sense of well-being, almost to the
point of
euphoria just before lights out.

And just how do they know this?