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OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:39:49 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message .. . On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:29:26 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html Sad isn't it, over 17,000 people who blew their brains out because they were depressed and a gun was al too handy. Sad indeed, it would have been much better if they had used a knife, or a rope, or overdosed on drugs, or sucked a car tailpipe, or, well, anything but a gun. Scotty Yep, at least with a knife,rope,drug,or exhaust, you have the opportunity to change you mind and call for help. You can change your mind while swinging from a rope, but it won't help any. SV Most people who hang themselves don't die from a broken neck. Mainly they asprixiate after passing out from reduced blood flow to the brain....it's only after they pass out that they relax enough to strangle. So explain how they can then change their mind, and do something about it. Then there are the others who never in fact dangle, but tie a rope around something, pass a noose over their head and just sit down. And some tie a rock around their neck and throw into deep water. Wonder if the change their mind on the way down? How about bridge jumpers? Bet they change their mind about 1/2 way down. Too late! Splat! Scotty |
In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. We also
have the lowest gun death rate (by a large margin) in the country. We also have one of the lowest suicide rates in the country, about 60% of the national average. Scott Vernon wrote: You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger. Anyways, they'll just try again. Scooter OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message n Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! There ya go, you made my point. With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help. You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty of them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and unsuccessfully tried to call for help. You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd tried to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to call, but help arrived too late. Never seen that in a gunshot suicide. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Joe wrote:
And who said anything about it being just fine for police to brutalize suspects, and incarceration without charge or trial is perfectly acceptable? ............Not me! Remember the discusion about car thieves? And as far as my grammer skills I will try to do better. Thats one of the main reason I'm here. I'm so thankful for you and the other grammer and spelling nazis to show me the error of my ways. No problem Joe, you're coming along rather well, you're skills already surpass those of JW. Cheers Marty |
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:32:42 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:
Sad isn't it, over 17,000 people who blew their brains out because they were depressed and a gun was al too handy. Sad indeed, it would have been much better if they had used a knife, or a rope, or overdosed on drugs, or sucked a car tailpipe, or, well, anything but a gun. Yep, at least with a knife,rope,drug,or exhaust, you have the opportunity to change you mind and call for help. Sure you do. You're sitting in your garage with with the car running, and you're out of breath. Call for help. Try it, and tell us what happens. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:45:18 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:
Most people who hang themselves don't die from a broken neck. Mainly they asprixiate after passing out from reduced blood flow to the brain....it's only after they pass out that they relax enough to strangle. Then there are the others who never in fact dangle, but tie a rope around something, pass a noose over their head and just sit down. Have you tried this? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:52:07 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap: How about bridge jumpers? Bet they change their mind about 1/2 way down. Too late! Splat! I've done that, but I have super powers. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:38:00 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:
You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, Really? So people meeting you face to face decide to kill themselves? That says a lot about you. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:15:07 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap: In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. So does Detroit. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
OzOne wrote
Ummm your webpage above shows a rate something over 6/100,000 so unless the population of the US has been substantially reduced, that amounts to tens of thousands...No? No, it adds up to under 12,000 - most 'victims' of the WOD. This might help http://tinyurl.com/3r8wv It really is a shock to the system eh. Sure is. I had no idea there were that many suicides and justifiable homocides. 30,000! wow! Of course we have to put that in perspective by remembering that medical "misadventures" (doctors don't make mistakes, they have misadventures) kill over 100,000/yr. |
Jeff, what's your point?
SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. We also have the lowest gun death rate (by a large margin) in the country. We also have one of the lowest suicide rates in the country, about 60% of the national average. Scott Vernon wrote: You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger. Anyways, they'll just try again. Scooter OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message n Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! There ya go, you made my point. With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help. You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty of them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and unsuccessfully tried to call for help. You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd tried to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to call, but help arrived too late. Never seen that in a gunshot suicide. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:52:07 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote this crap: How about bridge jumpers? Bet they change their mind about 1/2 way down. Too late! Splat! I've done that, but I have super powers. Well, a few years back, on my way home from Annapolis, a girl jumped off the Bay Bridge as I was sailing towards it about 1/4 mile away. CG radioed for all mariners to be on lookout for the body. They spotted her with their helo later. Scotty |
Sorry, I didn't realize I had to spell this out for you.
Now repeat after me: Fewer guns, fewer suicides. Scott Vernon wrote: Jeff, what's your point? SV "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. We also have the lowest gun death rate (by a large margin) in the country. We also have one of the lowest suicide rates in the country, about 60% of the national average. Scott Vernon wrote: You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger. Anyways, they'll just try again. Scooter OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message n Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! There ya go, you made my point. With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help. You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty of them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and unsuccessfully tried to call for help. You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd tried to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to call, but help arrived too late. Never seen that in a gunshot suicide. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry, I didn't realize I had to spell this out for you. Now repeat after me: Fewer guns, fewer suicides. Now repeat after me: More Guns, Less Idiots. CM |
Overproof wrote:
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry, I didn't realize I had to spell this out for you. Now repeat after me: Fewer guns, fewer suicides. Now repeat after me: More Guns, Less Idiots. So you're agreeing with me that gun owners are more likely to kill their own family members. |
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Sorry, I didn't realize I had to spell this out for you. Now repeat after me: Fewer guns, fewer suicides. Now repeat after me: More Guns, Less Idiots. So you're agreeing with me that gun owners are more likely to kill their own family members. Jeff... why in the world would you propose to cause a line up at the check-out counter? You said fewer suicides... not murders. Disarming the civilian population is no remedy for crime. I speak from experience here in Canada, it's ridiculously expensive, time consuming and has effectively increased the smuggling profits. Only the criminals & cops have weapons now. The cops are only a follow up after the incident and the criminals are more brazen due to the gun control legislation. Do not go down the road of gun control..... it's merely another step in the direction to strip you of your rights. CM |
So, you are willing to exchange lower suicides for drastically increased violent
crimes against individuals? http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm What a stupid liberal fool with the usual head-up-the-ass syndrome! CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. We also have the lowest gun death rate (by a large margin) in the country. We also have one of the lowest suicide rates in the country, about 60% of the national average. Scott Vernon wrote: You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger. Anyways, they'll just try again. Scooter OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message n Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! There ya go, you made my point. With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help. You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty of them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and unsuccessfully tried to call for help. You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd tried to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to call, but help arrived too late. Never seen that in a gunshot suicide. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has
substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! Capt. Neal® wrote: So, you are willing to exchange lower suicides for drastically increased violent crimes against individuals? http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm What a stupid liberal fool with the usual head-up-the-ass syndrome! CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... In Massachusetts, we have the toughest gun laws in the country. We also have the lowest gun death rate (by a large margin) in the country. We also have one of the lowest suicide rates in the country, about 60% of the national average. Scott Vernon wrote: You could change your mind with a gun and NOT pull the trigger. Anyways, they'll just try again. Scooter OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:22 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message n Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! There ya go, you made my point. With cars, pills you do get a chance to call for help. You can call for help after you die from car exhaust? I didn't know that. Scotty Nope, but you sure as hell can before the gas gets you. Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, in plenty of them there were signs that the person had changed their mind and unsuccessfully tried to call for help. You know, things like, the phone knocked over, signs that they'd tried to crawl to the door, etc, and many others where they had managed to call, but help arrived too late. Never seen that in a gunshot suicide. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. I suppose. Showing your blunders is getting pretty boring. When you get something right, that would be exciting. |
You saw the crime rate stats for Mass and they proved that banning guns
had no effect unless the gun ban was put in, in 1995 which it wasn't. CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. I suppose. Showing your blunders is getting pretty boring. When you get something right, that would be exciting. |
OzOne wrote:
Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, Are you related to Dr. Kevorkian? |
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:54:59 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap: Well, a few years back, on my way home from Annapolis, a girl jumped off the Bay Bridge as I was sailing towards it about 1/4 mile away. CG radioed for all mariners to be on lookout for the body. They spotted her with their helo later. Only the gayboys of the Navy use "helos." The Army uses choppers. BTW, how can you drown in the Chesapeake Bay? It's only three feet deep. I ran aground in a dingy a mile away from shore. I just pulled up the daggerboard, and sailed on. I coulda walked to shore, if I had enough beer. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:26:58 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote this crap: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. CN You are arguing with an idiot. The toughest gun laws in the country are in Wash DC and Detroit. These cities also have the highest murder rates. The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... You are arguing with an idiot. The toughest gun laws in the country are in Wash DC and Detroit. These cities also have the highest murder rates. The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. Jeff is an avowed liberal and thus it is understood that he's an idiot. Even when presented with statistics he chooses to disbelieve what they prove. It is common sense and fact that where citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms the crime rate is lower. Criminals always pick the easiest prey. Unarmed people don't shoot back thus they are easy prey. CN |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... rates. The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. Did you see the website where it shows the counties with the lowest IQ are the blue counties? CN |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:26:58 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote this crap: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. CN You are arguing with an idiot. The toughest gun laws in the country are in Wash DC and Detroit. These cities also have the highest murder rates. The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. http://tinylink.com/?5EcAbA44ta Bwahahahahahhahahaha. We can carry pistols with impunity anywhere in Michigan, including the city of Detroit. Unfortunately, it hasn't done anything about the crime reate. John Cairns Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:31:31 -0500, "bell" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, Are you related to Dr. Kevorkian? No, are you? No but I haven't attended any suicides, You stated that you had, that's why I asked. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:31:31 -0500, "bell" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, Are you related to Dr. Kevorkian? No, are you? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Horvath wrote:
.... The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. What do you do, just make this stuff up? I know you're too stupid to look up the real numbers, but didn't you think I would? Alaska has a higher than average murder rate, more than triple the rate of Massachusetts. |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Horvath" wrote in message ... You are arguing with an idiot. The toughest gun laws in the country are in Wash DC and Detroit. These cities also have the highest murder rates. The state with the loosest gun laws is Alaska, with the lowest murder rate. Jeff is an avowed liberal and thus it is understood that he's an idiot. Actually I always thought of myself as a Conservative. After all, thanks to Bush and the buffoons that voted for him, I pay almost nothing in taxes. Even when presented with statistics he chooses to disbelieve what they prove. Which statistic was that? Are you supporting Horry's claim that Alaska has the lowest homicide rate in the country? It is common sense and fact that where citizens protect themselves and their families with firearms the crime rate is lower. Criminals always pick the easiest prey. Unarmed people don't shoot back thus they are easy prey. Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more likely to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the truth, not your bogus "logic." |
"bell" wrote in message ... OzOne wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:31:31 -0500, "bell" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: Scooter, back when, I attended a whole bunch of suicides, Are you related to Dr. Kevorkian? No, are you? No but I haven't attended any suicides, You stated that you had, that's why I asked. Aw Cripes Bell... do keep up will you... everyone here knows that Ozone is an ex-copper who was on the take... he quit the force before they caught on and now claims that his wealth is due to prudent investments as opposed to links to the underworld. He's "New Money" ...... and it shows. CM |
Are you trying to say something, Neal? The death by firearm rate in MA
has fallen since the latest gun law, though its still too early to see the full affect, especially since there are state nearby where its easy to get guns. However, the MA rate for firearm death is less than a third of the national average. Capt. Neal® wrote: You saw the crime rate stats for Mass and they proved that banning guns had no effect unless the gun ban was put in, in 1995 which it wasn't. CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. I suppose. Showing your blunders is getting pretty boring. When you get something right, that would be exciting. |
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more likely to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the truth, not your bogus "logic." It's Bogus to make that assumption. I grew up in a household with lots of firearms. Nobody in the family got shot. Nobody would come near the place unless invited, because everyone knew we were armed to the teeth and wouldn't hesitate to shoot. We were trained to handle, clean and then shoot early in life, by my Dad.... a strict respect for weapons was instilled. It's your friggin' Liberal assed, prima Donna, thinks they should tell others how to live attitude that really underlines how little you understand the very basic notion that a person has the right to protect themselves. CM |
OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:14:00 GMT, "Overproof" scribbled thusly: He's "New Money" ...... and it shows. CM We've been working on that. Tried the washing machine, but the ink runs. Someone suggested a tumble dryer with some dirty tennis shoes. Ozone..... everyone knows your money is "Laundered"!! CM. |
Navy? Army? Drown? Horvath, read the freakin post again! You're
starting to sound as dumb as Billy BBob. SV "Horvath" wrote Well, a few years back, on my way home from Annapolis, a girl jumped off the Bay Bridge as I was sailing towards it about 1/4 mile away. CG radioed for all mariners to be on lookout for the body. They spotted her with their helo later. Only the gayboys of the Navy use "helos." The Army uses choppers. BTW, how can you drown in the Chesapeake Bay? It's only three feet deep. I ran aground in a dingy a mile away from shore. I just pulled up the daggerboard, and sailed on. I coulda walked to shore, if I had enough beer. |
Smoking kills 450,000 a year. Should we outlaw smoking?
SV OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:56:55 -0500, "Vito" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote Ummm your webpage above shows a rate something over 6/100,000 so unless the population of the US has been substantially reduced, that amounts to tens of thousands...No? No, it adds up to under 12,000 - most 'victims' of the WOD. Interesting the WISCARS shows 10% on a populaton on 290 million. This might help http://tinyurl.com/3r8wv It really is a shock to the system eh. Sure is. I had no idea there were that many suicides and justifiable homocides. 30,000! wow! So all gun daths that are suicide and justifiable homocide are not related to guns in the community? What constitutes a justifiable homocide...Is that where someone comes at you with a gun and you shoot em dead? Of course we have to put that in perspective by remembering that medical "misadventures" (doctors don't make mistakes, they have misadventures) kill over 100,000/yr. Well well, maybe we could just ignore ever cause of death that is less than what doctors cause.....what level of deaths/100,000 would you like to set the limit of ignorance at? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
There are other factors involved.
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Are you trying to say something, Neal? The death by firearm rate in MA has fallen since the latest gun law, though its still too early to see the full affect, especially since there are state nearby where its easy to get guns. However, the MA rate for firearm death is less than a third of the national average. Capt. Neal® wrote: You saw the crime rate stats for Mass and they proved that banning guns had no effect unless the gun ban was put in, in 1995 which it wasn't. CN "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Neal, you're a complete PUTZ! By your own study, Massachusetts has substantially lowers rates for almost all forms of crime than the national average. The murder rate is about 40% of the national average. The overall "crime index" was 42nd in the country. The the most recent studies, MA is cited as the "safest state in the country." My hometown is cited as "The safest city in the country"! And the absolute most boring city, too, if you are the typical resident thereof. I suppose. Showing your blunders is getting pretty boring. When you get something right, that would be exciting. |
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:55 +1100, OzOne wrote this crap:
Really? So people meeting you face to face decide to kill themselves? That says a lot about you. Poor Holly, he takes my objection to guns in suburbia personally. That's because it IS personal. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:08:09 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote this crap: Except the truth is, when you bring a gun in to house, it is more likely to kill a family member than to protect against a crime. That's the truth, not your bogus "logic." That's in YOUR house, not mine. I live alone. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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